You mean like the long form typewritten one below on the right?
Posted on 11/15/2008 6:48:02 PM PST by palmer
It's apparent that a combination of fervent believers and a small number of psychopaths and/or infiltrators have dominated the birth certificate discussion. The early evidence was in their favor and everyone should have been skeptical of the low res images on Kos, smears and politifact. The new evidence is not and is not being addressed objectively.
But photo #5 (and some of the others) is a genuine photograph of an artifact. It was not created in photoshop. That doesn't mean photoshop was not involved. A plausible set of steps is
1. Scan a real COLB including the border
2. Import into photoshop and change the text to Obama's text
3. Print the result onto the cross hatched paper (could be forged separately)
4. Obtain a embossing seal and apply it to the printout 5. Fold it as if it came from an envelope and display it to the factcheck photographer.
Another plausible scenario is someone in the Hawaii office did all the forging but on the official equipment and using the official seal. Another possibility is someone stole a seal and sold it to a forger. It is certainly possible for a forger to make a seal using the right equipment (probably a laser etcher).
The Kenya trip meme seemed to turn into an established fact in early July when proposed by null and void and properly ridiculed. Even into November null and void can only repeat her hypothesis (a honeymoon) apparently unwilling or unable to embellish it further.
Polarik surrounds himself with a number of true believers and useful idiots. The useful idiots are the ones who validate or praise his analysis while obviously not knowing anything about it. The true believers have convinced themselves that Obama was not born in Honolulu and are unable to evaluate the evidence objectively.
In their favor, the true believers have established that Obama has potential Indonesian citizenship (courtesy of Soetoro) as well as potential Kenyan citizenship (courtesy of Obama Sr). These are true regardless of where Obama was born. For the former the Kenyan citizenship would have to be activated by Obama. For the latter, Soetoro would have had to apply to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it does not happen automatically via adoption.
The bottom line for Polarik is he has yet to address the certificate linked above. He has promised to do this for weeks now and is instead disseminating and repeating his various diatribes against Obama. My guess based on his past behavior is that he will release a rehash of the evidence against the old scan (Kos, smears, politifact) with a bit of new verbiage against the factcheck photos. He will properly point out some oddities in some of the photos while ignoring the obvious salient features in the decent photos such as number 5.
He and I have already argued about the seal (embossing) in number 5 and he claims it is a perfect circle (therefore forged). I showed that it wasn't http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq51/palmer2/circle.jpg and he replied with a very similar result except he used some edge detection first. He obviously just fools with some tools, but doesn't obtain any useful results. When it comes to image analysis he is a dabbler, not an expert.
With cover from his defenders he establishes a "sensitive" personality claiming that he is being ruthlessly attacked. He says that as a result he will stop posting on the certificate issue when he is done with his final writeup. I don't know if that's a real sensitivity or faked, but even if it is faked there are thousands more that will step into his shoes if he disappears.
That thread and others contain useful nuggets about other Obama problems. There are alternative threads that speak to real evidence although some of those get beaten down by the Polarik army. Polarik's followers also use Freepmail to spread gossip about posters like myself and allegedly (according to them) posted about me on another forum.
That is all good. The more publicity I get on this particular issue, the better. But I remain concerned that FreeRepublic will have the appearance of a conspiracy site because only a rather intensive conspiracy could produce the evidence photographed by Factcheck.
I am also concerned that Factcheck and others might be deliberately planting poor quality evidence in an attempt to hook in the Polariks of the world and their followers. That would not necessarily require a conspiracy although I admit it has the flavor of one. It is to the liberal opposition's benefit to keep as many people on false trails as possible not just to waste their time but to portray them as unhinged. That result was detrimental in the last election and will be detrimental in 2010 and 2012.
IMO of course.
Both, I am pathologically addicted to the truth. I can't ignore the evidence in front of me just to please a couple people.
Actually, you’re completely wrong. After Joe the Plumber, Obama never came out and admitted his socialistic agenda. In fact he tried harder to appear conservative.
Would you elaborate on this statement please?
Jim, don't take this too personally, but I love you man. You have occasionally chastized me (though, I really doubt you rememeber, because I know you have had to correct a good number of people), but you are the man. If I can squeeze it into my budget, you will start getting donations from me.
“....but dealing with them has to start from the basis of the evidence at hand.”
If there’s no evidence at hand, where do you start? Do you suggest we just forget about it?
“I am pathologically addicted to the truth.”
Pathological means something isn’t working right.
So your basic premise is a presidential candidate doesn’t need to show a real birth certificate?
You’re teetering on tinfoil hat territory yourself, with that one.
The main problem is the photos of the document at Factcheck have a variety of colorings, probably from being taken in different lighting. Some are yellowish and some greenish. Another problem is some of the photos are very poor like the seal seen from an angle and can’t be compared to the photo of the seal in #5.
I think that's a basic fact from history. Presidential candidates usually had unambiguous origins but Obama has a foreign parent. I'm not aware of any others with that circumstance, but haven't checked into it.
I wish I could come up with posts like you. :)
You mean like the long form typewritten one below on the right?
Yes, the penalty for not registering is that the person can not hold a position in the executive branch of the government. I heard it said he registered late at a P O in Hawaii, but at that time he was in the US at school... so someone else, reportedly an uncle or grandfather is said to have submitted the registration. I believe there has to be a signature on that document and I’m sure if anyone cared that this fraud is not going to abide by the very constitution he is going to swear to uphold they could verify who actually signed the document... my guess — It twern’t Barry!
According to Obama's grandmother, brother, and sister, in 1961. Why? To meet with, and introduce herself to the family of her African husband. Gee, I guess you think they're ALL liars. If you were actually familiar with the facts about this mess, you would have known that. You also would have been familiar with the AFFIDAVITS filed with the Supreme Court.
Translation: To live with fear is to half-live.
Gutless wonders. You guys are so afraid of looking stupid that you're ready to chance standing by while a coup of the U.S. presidency is attempted.
Zero-bama has more guts than you.
Thanks for the correction.
Btw, don't talk/write about me unless you ping me.
As for the "expense" issue, there is no evidence that the families of either Obama Sr. in Kenya or Stanley Ann Dunham in the US were poor. Obama Sr.'s father was known to be a force in Kenyan politics, and was wealthy enough to send his son to the US for an education, in an era when third world students attending American universities was relatively rare. Stanley Ann's father was known to be an entrepreneur in Hawaii, and her mother had enough upscale mobility to become a bank executive. The Dunhams, too, had enough resources to send their daughter to college, albeit to a state university.
If the trip to Kenya was affordable, there are reasons why it could have been made. Let's not judge the situation solely by American sensibilities. It may have been a common practice in Kenya for babies - in a paternalistic, male-dominant, Muslim culture - to be delivered in the father's home milieu (not the mother's).
EXCLUSIVE: Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2131604/posts?q=1&;page=105#105
Here’s one of the recent threads on the Selective Service issue.
“There are photos at FactCheck like the one linked above ( http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg) To the credit of the believers there are a variety “
That’s not a birth certificate, it’s a COLB issued recently. The one we want to see is the one from the 60’s, the one from the hospital that was filed when he was born.
For some reason O is hiding that one and has invested heavily in keeping it secret.
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