Posted on 12/04/2006 6:10:06 PM PST by goldstategop
RUSH: John in Shreveport, Louisiana. Hello.
CALLER: Mr. Rush, don't you think you're being a hypocrite when you're not -- when you don't want the Iraqis to decide the problems themselves, especially since Abraham Lincoln took two -- two generals named Lincoln [sic--Grant] and Sherman who were responsible for the deaths of 59,000 southern people? And since you hate Confederate heritage that much, don't you think that we should allow the people of Iraq to decide their own fate?
RUSH: (Laughing.) Gee. I hate Confederate heritage?
CALLER: No kidding.
RUSH: On the basis of what do you say that?
CALLER: Okay, allow me to quote you from 2001: "The American Civil War was the first conflict in human history to set a people free from the bondage of slavery." Your quote, sir.
RUSH: Yeah?
CALLER: And that's not --
RUSH: Well, the point is, we fought --
CALLER: -- power --
RUSH: Are we going to have this argument, Steve?
CALLER: Yes, sir, we are, if you've got the nerve to hold it!
RUSH: I'll have this argument with you any time you want. I've been hearing from you guys since I started this show. I know, it's about states' rights, it was about freedom; it was about independence. But it was about preserving the union -- and Abraham Lincoln knew that you couldn't preserve an America with the institutions defined by our Constitution if one man was allowed to own another.
CALLER: Well, you could not preserve the Constitution as long as you could override it by military power and invasion.
RUSH: Well, there was the preservation of the union that was the number one --
CALLER: How about the preservation of the Constitution, shouldn't that be predominant?
RUSH: Look, you still want to secede? What's your solution?
CALLER: We have no choice, we're under occupation now. The thing about it is you still have to lie about Abraham Lincoln to prove your, to make your point.
RUSH: I'm not lying about Abraham Lincoln. What do you mean, you're still under occupation?
CALLER: Put it this way. The South was not allowed to vote its own way; we're not going to allow Iraq to vote its own government, either.
RUSH: But we did.
CALLER: Do you think we're really abiding by that? What they voted for, we're trying to subvert it by military occupation. No difference than what they did here for 12 years in Louisiana. You don't think we don't see that? You don't think we don't see you as a hypocrite for what you say about, oh, yeah, preserve the union, but let's never mind, let's take away the vote from those who are the voting citizens --
RUSH: I cannot believe this!
CALLER: -- Constitution!
RUSH: I can't believe this. You are taking out your frustrations at having lost the Civil War on me and claiming I'm a hypocrite because of my stance on the Iraq war?
CALLER: Yes, sir.
RUSH: Which I don't even think you know what it is.
CALLER: I don't think you know -- I don't think you know who Abraham Lincoln was.
RUSH: I certainly know who Abraham Lincoln was. He's one of the greatest presidents in the history of the country.
CALLER: Who said that --
RUSH: And it wasn't because he defeated the south. It was because he preserved the union.
CALLER: He preserved the union by trampling the Constitution!
RUSH: He did not trample the Constitution. He suspended habeas corpus. He did do some things I wish Bush would do.
CALLER: Like kill 59,000 innocent civilians?
RUSH: Are you talking about Sherman's march through Atlanta?
CALLER: And -- and -- and Grant's shelling the city of Vicksburg. Hello?
RUSH: It won the war, didn't it? You ever heard of Gettysburg? It won the war and that was the objective. I'll tell you what I wish Bush would do that Lincoln did. Take all these anti-war agitators and send 'em to Canada. Send the National Guard in there. Send Harry Reid over to Baghdad if he's going to be so socially --
CALLER: Like that Ohio Congressman Vallandigham, huh?
RUSH: Absolutely, like that Ohio congressman, that Democrat that was snatched out of his house and sent down to Jefferson Davis, who also didn't want him.
CALLER: Well, at least I got you to acknowledge that.
RUSH: Acknowledge what?
CALLER: Well, the fact that Lincoln did have his secret police who went into people's houses, pulled them out in the middle of the night, and had them -- and had them --
RUSH: You know what? I hope before you die you learn to thank God for Abraham Lincoln.
CALLER: I hope before you die you learn what a racist and a bigot and a power-hungry maniac he was.
RUSH: I'm the racist and the bigot?
CALLER: I didn't say you were. I said he was!
RUSH: Oh. Abraham Lincoln? How in the world you can call a guy who ended slavery a racist and a bigot? I have heard everything now. Everything, in 22 years of hosting this program, I have heard everything.
The central, repeated theme in the CSA constitution is the protection of slave-owners' property rights.
The winner writes the history books. The gullible believe in them, and the leftist professors perpetuate this. I'll say it again... slavery was very wrong and never should have been an institution... but it is part of AMERICAN history. Is there no villification of our founding fathers? Many of them owned slaves, yet I don't hear anybody wanting to rip down statues or ban images of them... except for maybe the extreme left in their forums.
otoh, MANY here make me GAG. i frequently wonder why i bother to read their HATE-filled, arrogantly ignorant,DRIVEL.
free dixie,sw
otoh, MANY here make me GAG. i frequently wonder why i bother to read their HATE-filled, arrogantly ignorant,DRIVEL.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
imVho, ALL of the slavers & their HELPERS/enablers from "up there in BLUE-land", BURN in Hell.
free dixie,sw
1. Tend to YOUR business & keep your UNinformed opinions to yourself,to avoid looking like a DUNCE & a HATER,
2. Don't try to "give orders" to ANYONE else here,
3. Do your own "homework" before you ask anyone else to do ANYTHING &
4.Understand that your reputation for "intelligent comments", "manners" & "common sense" are SUSPECT at best.
the FRANK truth is that i have neither the $$$ or the time (given my family situation) to go prove anything to you or anyone else. (i suspect that doing what you suggest would take me away from more important pursuits, like WORKING at my JOB, for a minimum of a week & cost over $ 1,000 to do.)
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
These threads make me want to forget the Left Vs. Right War now raging in this Country and refight the WBTS all over again. The ignorance and arrogance of these G.D Yankees has became downright insufferable.
Stole the words out of my mouth
Deo Vindice!
Compare the constitutions.
And the US Constitution endorses the jailing of people who disagree.... like we have today in the Middle East? Your leftist professors would be very proud of you espousing this on the FR!!
Misdirection. Very good.
But yet you cannot address my central point: the CSA constitution makes clear that the mission of the CSA is the defense, preservation and prolongation of slavery.
In your dreams.
ROMBLMAO
Whoops!
Should have been: ROMFBLMAO!
Claiming informed opinion and proving that it is informed are two different things. You do much of the first and precious little of the latter. I have as much business being on this public forum as you do, and if you don't care for my opinion, you are welcome to depart.
2. Don't try to "give orders" to ANYONE else here,
My, that almost sounds as if you are trying to give me an order. What I did to you is request proof of your claims, and then issued you a challenge to "put up or shut up". I do not really anticipate you being able to do either one.
3. Do your own "homework" before you ask anyone else to do ANYTHING &
Sez Mr. Kettle to Mr. Pot. Would you like for me to point out where you are demanding rigorous documentation from others on this very thread? Should you be exempt from similar expectations for your claims?
4.Understand that your reputation for "intelligent comments", "manners" & "common sense" are SUSPECT at best.
Res ipsa loquator.
the FRANK truth is that i have neither the $$$ or the time (given my family situation) to go prove anything to you or anyone else.
Then you have no standing to demand it of others, and no standing to expect anyone to believe your claims, particularly the farfetched and subjective ones. Why don't you use some of the time you spend typing up accusations of "damnyankeehood" to jot down some citations for your regular claims? Then they'll be to hand next time you make them.
In the meantime, until some objective corroboration appears, I am forced to give the historical credibility of your scholarship, data and opinions about the same weight as the movie version of Gone with the Wind: Dramatic, vaguely based on actual events, but fictional.
There's an argument to be made that automation, in the form of Eli Whitney's cotton gin, is what revitalized slavery in the South. It made the large cotton plantations economically viable at the same time as automated textile factories grew demand. It went from being a time consuming, labor intensive crop to process to being a simple one.
LOL
Oops -- watch it, Ditto, your spite is showing again.
Your quote on Egyptian cotton production amounts to a quibble -- a distinction without a difference. My statement stands. Egyptian cotton production may have started as early as 1445 BC, but who cares? The volume didn't ramp up until Britain saw the war clouds over America and the threat to their supply, and your own article says so.
You just can't stand Southerners, is what we have here, and you have to call them liars, horse-thieves, and lowdown scumbags every chance you get. Fortunately, all those iridescent bumper-stickers all over your butt let people know as far away as Afghanistan where you're coming from. It's kind of like being a Rhesus monkey: everyone knows you're a Rhesus monkey from 500 yards away, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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