Posted on 12/04/2006 6:10:06 PM PST by goldstategop
RUSH: John in Shreveport, Louisiana. Hello.
CALLER: Mr. Rush, don't you think you're being a hypocrite when you're not -- when you don't want the Iraqis to decide the problems themselves, especially since Abraham Lincoln took two -- two generals named Lincoln [sic--Grant] and Sherman who were responsible for the deaths of 59,000 southern people? And since you hate Confederate heritage that much, don't you think that we should allow the people of Iraq to decide their own fate?
RUSH: (Laughing.) Gee. I hate Confederate heritage?
CALLER: No kidding.
RUSH: On the basis of what do you say that?
CALLER: Okay, allow me to quote you from 2001: "The American Civil War was the first conflict in human history to set a people free from the bondage of slavery." Your quote, sir.
RUSH: Yeah?
CALLER: And that's not --
RUSH: Well, the point is, we fought --
CALLER: -- power --
RUSH: Are we going to have this argument, Steve?
CALLER: Yes, sir, we are, if you've got the nerve to hold it!
RUSH: I'll have this argument with you any time you want. I've been hearing from you guys since I started this show. I know, it's about states' rights, it was about freedom; it was about independence. But it was about preserving the union -- and Abraham Lincoln knew that you couldn't preserve an America with the institutions defined by our Constitution if one man was allowed to own another.
CALLER: Well, you could not preserve the Constitution as long as you could override it by military power and invasion.
RUSH: Well, there was the preservation of the union that was the number one --
CALLER: How about the preservation of the Constitution, shouldn't that be predominant?
RUSH: Look, you still want to secede? What's your solution?
CALLER: We have no choice, we're under occupation now. The thing about it is you still have to lie about Abraham Lincoln to prove your, to make your point.
RUSH: I'm not lying about Abraham Lincoln. What do you mean, you're still under occupation?
CALLER: Put it this way. The South was not allowed to vote its own way; we're not going to allow Iraq to vote its own government, either.
RUSH: But we did.
CALLER: Do you think we're really abiding by that? What they voted for, we're trying to subvert it by military occupation. No difference than what they did here for 12 years in Louisiana. You don't think we don't see that? You don't think we don't see you as a hypocrite for what you say about, oh, yeah, preserve the union, but let's never mind, let's take away the vote from those who are the voting citizens --
RUSH: I cannot believe this!
CALLER: -- Constitution!
RUSH: I can't believe this. You are taking out your frustrations at having lost the Civil War on me and claiming I'm a hypocrite because of my stance on the Iraq war?
CALLER: Yes, sir.
RUSH: Which I don't even think you know what it is.
CALLER: I don't think you know -- I don't think you know who Abraham Lincoln was.
RUSH: I certainly know who Abraham Lincoln was. He's one of the greatest presidents in the history of the country.
CALLER: Who said that --
RUSH: And it wasn't because he defeated the south. It was because he preserved the union.
CALLER: He preserved the union by trampling the Constitution!
RUSH: He did not trample the Constitution. He suspended habeas corpus. He did do some things I wish Bush would do.
CALLER: Like kill 59,000 innocent civilians?
RUSH: Are you talking about Sherman's march through Atlanta?
CALLER: And -- and -- and Grant's shelling the city of Vicksburg. Hello?
RUSH: It won the war, didn't it? You ever heard of Gettysburg? It won the war and that was the objective. I'll tell you what I wish Bush would do that Lincoln did. Take all these anti-war agitators and send 'em to Canada. Send the National Guard in there. Send Harry Reid over to Baghdad if he's going to be so socially --
CALLER: Like that Ohio Congressman Vallandigham, huh?
RUSH: Absolutely, like that Ohio congressman, that Democrat that was snatched out of his house and sent down to Jefferson Davis, who also didn't want him.
CALLER: Well, at least I got you to acknowledge that.
RUSH: Acknowledge what?
CALLER: Well, the fact that Lincoln did have his secret police who went into people's houses, pulled them out in the middle of the night, and had them -- and had them --
RUSH: You know what? I hope before you die you learn to thank God for Abraham Lincoln.
CALLER: I hope before you die you learn what a racist and a bigot and a power-hungry maniac he was.
RUSH: I'm the racist and the bigot?
CALLER: I didn't say you were. I said he was!
RUSH: Oh. Abraham Lincoln? How in the world you can call a guy who ended slavery a racist and a bigot? I have heard everything now. Everything, in 22 years of hosting this program, I have heard everything.
"That clause comes from a Supreme Court decision,"
No shinola, Sherlock. That's my point. It's NOT in the Constitution, just the anti-South stacked SCOTUS at that time. Sort of the way the libs found a right to abortion in the Constitution.
You'll whine about the court decision bec you and I both know there is nothing in the Constitution that says that.
Nice try though.
I see you've read the Confederate Constitution too.
LOL
"nuff said".
free dixie,sw
How does one document something which didn't happen? Did the southern states offer to negotiate as settlement of the national debt before they seceded? No. Did they offer to pay for the property they seized before they seized it? No. Did they comply with treaties that the U.S. was abiding by? No. If you're aware of any information showing the opposite then by all means let's see it.
That's a different argument and yours is an opinion that you cannot document.
Brrrrrrrpppppp. . .
Try again.
we southerners/southrons (NOT at all the same thing.)just want to be LEFT ALONE.
we southerners will be quite happy when/IF the rest of the country decides to IGNORE US ans/or DIVORCE us. (we won't care what you do "up there" either, as long as it doesn't cost us any tax-$$$$$ and/or doesn't affect our LIBERTY.)
free dixie,sw
When the south rises again, you'll have all the ignorance and divorce you want.
The Supreme Court found that implied in the Constution was the requirement that states could leave only with the permission of the other states. The Constituion gives them jurisdiction over such matters, and the definition of 'jurisdiction' is "the power, right, or authority to interpret and apply the law." So if the Supreme Court rules that it's in the Constitution then it's in the Constitution. But of course we have that tired old southron whine 'anti-southern Supreme Court' crap. Y'all are nothing if not predictable.
Nice try though.
Thanks. Unfortunately all your attempts have been rather lame.
free dixie,sw
I'm going to the book store t/m and get some more books written by Gary Walker
Sure I can. Texas v. White. The standing opinion of the USSC on the issue of secession.
"Says reality, logic and reason."
Nope. If that were true we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Whenever someone gives me the "I know you are but what am I" gambit, I know it's time to move on.
Somehow?
SOMEHOW?
Read the CSA constitution.
Southron Northron all sounds like MORON
:)
This was NOT banned in the US Constitution for a LONG time. Do you equally condemn the US before slavery was outlawed?
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