Posted on 12/04/2006 6:10:06 PM PST by goldstategop
RUSH: John in Shreveport, Louisiana. Hello.
CALLER: Mr. Rush, don't you think you're being a hypocrite when you're not -- when you don't want the Iraqis to decide the problems themselves, especially since Abraham Lincoln took two -- two generals named Lincoln [sic--Grant] and Sherman who were responsible for the deaths of 59,000 southern people? And since you hate Confederate heritage that much, don't you think that we should allow the people of Iraq to decide their own fate?
RUSH: (Laughing.) Gee. I hate Confederate heritage?
CALLER: No kidding.
RUSH: On the basis of what do you say that?
CALLER: Okay, allow me to quote you from 2001: "The American Civil War was the first conflict in human history to set a people free from the bondage of slavery." Your quote, sir.
RUSH: Yeah?
CALLER: And that's not --
RUSH: Well, the point is, we fought --
CALLER: -- power --
RUSH: Are we going to have this argument, Steve?
CALLER: Yes, sir, we are, if you've got the nerve to hold it!
RUSH: I'll have this argument with you any time you want. I've been hearing from you guys since I started this show. I know, it's about states' rights, it was about freedom; it was about independence. But it was about preserving the union -- and Abraham Lincoln knew that you couldn't preserve an America with the institutions defined by our Constitution if one man was allowed to own another.
CALLER: Well, you could not preserve the Constitution as long as you could override it by military power and invasion.
RUSH: Well, there was the preservation of the union that was the number one --
CALLER: How about the preservation of the Constitution, shouldn't that be predominant?
RUSH: Look, you still want to secede? What's your solution?
CALLER: We have no choice, we're under occupation now. The thing about it is you still have to lie about Abraham Lincoln to prove your, to make your point.
RUSH: I'm not lying about Abraham Lincoln. What do you mean, you're still under occupation?
CALLER: Put it this way. The South was not allowed to vote its own way; we're not going to allow Iraq to vote its own government, either.
RUSH: But we did.
CALLER: Do you think we're really abiding by that? What they voted for, we're trying to subvert it by military occupation. No difference than what they did here for 12 years in Louisiana. You don't think we don't see that? You don't think we don't see you as a hypocrite for what you say about, oh, yeah, preserve the union, but let's never mind, let's take away the vote from those who are the voting citizens --
RUSH: I cannot believe this!
CALLER: -- Constitution!
RUSH: I can't believe this. You are taking out your frustrations at having lost the Civil War on me and claiming I'm a hypocrite because of my stance on the Iraq war?
CALLER: Yes, sir.
RUSH: Which I don't even think you know what it is.
CALLER: I don't think you know -- I don't think you know who Abraham Lincoln was.
RUSH: I certainly know who Abraham Lincoln was. He's one of the greatest presidents in the history of the country.
CALLER: Who said that --
RUSH: And it wasn't because he defeated the south. It was because he preserved the union.
CALLER: He preserved the union by trampling the Constitution!
RUSH: He did not trample the Constitution. He suspended habeas corpus. He did do some things I wish Bush would do.
CALLER: Like kill 59,000 innocent civilians?
RUSH: Are you talking about Sherman's march through Atlanta?
CALLER: And -- and -- and Grant's shelling the city of Vicksburg. Hello?
RUSH: It won the war, didn't it? You ever heard of Gettysburg? It won the war and that was the objective. I'll tell you what I wish Bush would do that Lincoln did. Take all these anti-war agitators and send 'em to Canada. Send the National Guard in there. Send Harry Reid over to Baghdad if he's going to be so socially --
CALLER: Like that Ohio Congressman Vallandigham, huh?
RUSH: Absolutely, like that Ohio congressman, that Democrat that was snatched out of his house and sent down to Jefferson Davis, who also didn't want him.
CALLER: Well, at least I got you to acknowledge that.
RUSH: Acknowledge what?
CALLER: Well, the fact that Lincoln did have his secret police who went into people's houses, pulled them out in the middle of the night, and had them -- and had them --
RUSH: You know what? I hope before you die you learn to thank God for Abraham Lincoln.
CALLER: I hope before you die you learn what a racist and a bigot and a power-hungry maniac he was.
RUSH: I'm the racist and the bigot?
CALLER: I didn't say you were. I said he was!
RUSH: Oh. Abraham Lincoln? How in the world you can call a guy who ended slavery a racist and a bigot? I have heard everything now. Everything, in 22 years of hosting this program, I have heard everything.
Then let's see you seceed your house from your local town.
How about a marriage? Are spouses assumed to be able to walk away with all their assests on a whim, without any consultation or regard to their wife/husband? And then claim that no court or legal process has jurisdiction over their abandonment?
How about a military enlistment? How about the Scientologists? Okay, maybe that last one is a bad example...
Boy, if resupplying food and stores to besieged troops in a Federal fort is an act of aggression, I'd hate to see how you would characterize the Berlin Airlift.
Texas may be bigger in square miles, but Idaho is bigger in square inches. ;^)
1. a list of the dead in the tribal records (one of your "wunnerful, wunnerful DYs" said of our tribal records: that sort of thing can't be believed & "indians lie".)
2. the 84 GRAVESTONES of the dead (some babies/small children were buried with their mothers, evidently), all of which say: MURDERED by Yankee soldiers AND
3.the memoirs of a Methodist preacher from a nearby village, who reported the WAR CRIMES to the Union Provost marshal. the preacher's memoirs state that: the officer FAILED to take any notice of my testimony and that he seemed UNMOVED by the report.
all this has been posted on FR before & in EACH & EVERY case, "somebody from the DY side" has gotten around to saying something on the order of: who cares what happened to a bunch of stupid Indians. they probably deserved it anyway. (this is CLOSE to an exact quote from "modernman".)
frankly,i expect nothing more illuminating than that, this time either. the frank truth is that that the TRUTH is NOT "of interest" to DY apologists & their naive acolytes.
ANYTHING which shows that DYs were LESS than "saintly" is "rubbish" & "rebel lies". (we "good 'ole rebs" otoh, think the DYs eyes/minds are TIGHTLY CLOSED & that they can't HANDLE the UNcomfortable truth.)
free dixie,sw
144th Battle Reenactment of FredericksBurg you going?
Come on, watie. Either you have "documented evidence" or you don't. Put up or shut up.
since about the same 5-6% of northerners/southerners OWNED slaves, that is simply in one word: NONSENSE. (at least 4 states that HAD slaves did NOT secede, thus your claim falls of is own slight weight, counselor.)
my ancestors fought for ONE reason: FREEDOM from a government, which they believed CORRECTLY would become evermore centralized, disconnected from PROTECTING their INTERESTS & ever more tyrannical.
sadly, they have been proved CORRECT! (my favorite founding father, Thomas Jefferson, predicted the current state of affairs, a half century earlier than the WBTS. he was correct!)
free dixie,sw
I've read the Confederate Constitution. Should I believe you, or my lying eyes?
LOL
call me & my family PALEO-Confederates & we'll happily agree. (fyi, i'm from TWO of the "old rebel families" on BOTH sides.)
free dixie,sw
You do know that people like Jesse Jackson uses the term Neo-Confederate right?
as for your title, that is just SILLY & FALSE, as you well know.and it makes YOU look DUMB & CLUELESS.
free dixie,sw
History will always call it the Civil War. Sorry.
i'm too busy with a "whole bunch of elderly SICK folks" needs to have time to do much of anything else.
IF i could ever get them all "well" for a week or two, i would have time to do something FUN for a change.
alas, it doesn't seem to be either likely OR soon.
free dixie,sw
I'm not going either i'll prolly go for the 145th
"Nothing to forget because it didn't happen. The south seceded. They walked out of the Union, repudiated any responsibility for their share of the national debt,"
Document/source please.
"This is the clause--which you ignore--that vitiates your supposed victory."
Says you. LOL!
Says reality, logic and reason.
the answer is NONE, i suspect??? (the RACISM, ANTI-Semitism & BIGOTRY of the VAST majority of northerners then/NOW is something that NONE of you want to discuss.)
btw, when are you folks "up there" going to get around to DESEGREGATING your STILL (a HALF CENTURY after Brown v. Bd of Ed.) segregated schools??? should we send you some southern freedom-riders??? (we'll be glad to "return the favor".)
free dixie,sw
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