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School Shooting:Multiple Deaths in Lancaster, PA Amish School, Shooter Kills Self
Fox News Alert ^ | 02 OCT 06

Posted on 10/02/2006 9:16:45 AM PDT by DCBryan1

Edited on 10/02/2006 12:55:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Developing....

School Shooting injures one person,

Hostage situation may be developing.

Update: Multiple Shooting Victims and Possible Hostages in Lancaster County

Not many details available yet, but an incident has been reported from Mine Rd. in Bart Township in Lancaster County involving multiple gunshot victims. Dennis Buterbaugh reports live from our newsroom. abc27 has a news crew on the way. We will update with details as they become available.

Update 2: Pennsylvania Police: Amish School is 'Horrendous Crime Scene' After Shooting

NICKEL MINES, Pa. — At least two female students and one slightly older female — who may have been a teacher's aide — were shot and killed execution style in what police say may be a revenge killing for something that happened 20 years ago.

State Police Commissioner Jeffrey Miller said Monday that truck driver Charles Carl Roberts IV entered the one-room Amish schoolhouse in earlier in the day. The gunman brought in pieces of wood to board up the doors to the building when he entered the school. He also stacked desks against the building's doors.

"It appears that the suspect entered school with the intention of taking hostages," Miller said.

Roberts had wire ties and plastic flex cuff, which he used to begin tying the hostages feet together after they were lined up along a blackboard. He let go 15 male students, as well as one adult female who was pregnant. Three other non-student females with infants were also allowed to leave. One shotgun and one handgun was found next to the suspect when police entered the building.

"It seems as though he wanted to attack young, female victims," Miller said.

After a half hour inside, Roberts began shooting. When the gunfire stopped, three females were found shot dead at the scene, along with the suspect, who shot himself, Miller said. At least seven more victims — some critically wounded — were transported to nearby hospitals, he said. One victim, a young girl, died in the arms of a trooper, Miller said. He could not confirm how many people died en route or at the hospital. The county coroner earlier reported six children killed but then backed off of that statement.

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To: LibertyRocks
The part of the press conference I heard on ABC News had the LEO stating that his wife had no idea where he was. She tried calling him but got no answer. It didn't sound like they thought she had a clue what he was planning or where he was planning to go. The LEO (sorry I didn't catch his name) said that her husband called her at 11:00am said he wasn't coming home, that the police were there, he loved her, and hung up.

I feel sorry for the perps kids, too. It's not their fault that their father did this. Their lives will probably be ruined also.

1,141 posted on 10/02/2006 1:16:30 PM PDT by New Girl
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I think it is a huge mistake to take an animal, who ties up little girls and shoots them in the head, at his word when he says he did it for revenge. Why should any of us believe such a person?

If he is capable of tying up little girls and shooting them in the head, he's certainly capable of lying to anyone and everyone about why he wanted to do it.

I'm suggesting that in all likelihood, nothing DID happen twenty years ago. He made it up. This is a script he wrote for how he wants to be remembered. Don't give him the credit of believing him.

1,142 posted on 10/02/2006 1:18:58 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: joanie-f
As heartbreaking as today’s murders are, the Amish of Bart Township will not now begin planning how better to physically secure their little schoolhouses. Nor will they be seeking out ‘professional help’ in order to make their grief bearable. Instead, their needs for security, solace and a listening ear will be met within their own small community, and as they communally turn to the Lord as their infallible source of wisdom, comfort and strength.

Amen Joanie...and well said. Would to God that all of our communities would rekindle and maintian such faith that called forth such wisdom, comfort, and strength in the face of whatever tragedy. Truly, it is the bedrock foundation of our society and our entire system of governance. The further we depart from it, the worse off we become.

1,143 posted on 10/02/2006 1:19:08 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: SunnyUsa; TXBubba
he did not know what he was talking about.

TXBubba is a lovely and kind woman. I've met her.

1,144 posted on 10/02/2006 1:20:13 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: tiki

Good grief! One of my daughters is a cheerleader and I had already decided this will be her first and last year of it. They don't wear flimsy costumes or do suggestive moves but have uneasy feeling about such a public image with the perverts and crazies we seem to have everywhere these days. I expect some here would ridicule me for that but first instinct is to protect.


1,145 posted on 10/02/2006 1:20:33 PM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: Sisku Hanne

And by the way, my family is originally from PA and I visited Lancaster and the "Amish country" just about every year until I was 14. I've also bought and had furniture made by them and have had dealings with them. So, I am familiar with them. I feel terrible for these people. But I feel terrible for any child who witnesses such evil, Amish or not.


1,146 posted on 10/02/2006 1:20:58 PM PDT by New Girl
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To: hellinahandcart

Never is there an excuse for this horrible behavior. But, I don't necessarily disbelieve it. Something very serious may have happened to him, couple that with schizophrenia and parnoia, no medication or therape, and you have a recipe for disaster


1,147 posted on 10/02/2006 1:21:12 PM PDT by sasha123
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To: New Girl

I do too... His whole family is no doubt going to be going through some very hard times as they try to figure this out, especially his children. I haven't heard anyone mention past problems with this person as of yet, either. I'm sure they will be blaming themselves, even if there was no signs of impending trouble, and nothing they could have done to prevent this...

I pray God will comfort his wife and children.


1,148 posted on 10/02/2006 1:21:18 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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To: LibertyRocks
It didn't sound like they thought she had a clue what he was planning ...

Well, the guy left multiple suicide notes, didn't he? I would've thought that warranted a call to the cops. I'm with that Cliff Van Zandt guy on MSNBC who doesn't think this guy just woke up this morning and turned into a homicidal maniac. Darn, if the perp's wife had even the slightest inkling something was horribly wrong, like multiple suicide notes maybe, she should've tried to get him some help.

Family members shouldn't stick their heads in the sand.

1,149 posted on 10/02/2006 1:22:15 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: joanie-f

"Where in the ranks of humanity does one come across a man who could bind such a young child, force her to stand in front of a blackboard in her classroom, point the muzzle of a gun at hear head, and shoot her dead?"


Islam.

But that's just 1 consistent answer.

(Sorry for the straying, but it really is a good "profile" of an answer.)


1,150 posted on 10/02/2006 1:22:25 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Michael Goldsberry
she (bubba) didn't know what she was talking about then....thanks
1,151 posted on 10/02/2006 1:22:28 PM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: mewzilla

I think in the presser this afternoon he stated the notes were rambling and didn't make much sense...


1,152 posted on 10/02/2006 1:23:22 PM PDT by EBH (All great truths begin as blasphemies. GB Shaw)
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To: mewzilla

She came home AFTER he left and found the notes. He was already at the school. What was she supposed to do?


1,153 posted on 10/02/2006 1:23:56 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: sasha123

When I say disbelieve it, I was referring to (disbelieve that nothing happened to him).

This whole thing is horrible, sickening. Everyone hug your kids tonight.


1,154 posted on 10/02/2006 1:24:51 PM PDT by sasha123
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To: bonfire; EBH
The notes made enough sense to be categorized as suicide notes.

As for what she could've done: Called the cops. Even if they couldn't have stopped it, the wife could take some comfort that she tried.

1,155 posted on 10/02/2006 1:26:09 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: SunnyUsa; TXBubba

TXBubba is a woman and a mother. I'm removing your post as well because personal disputes should be handled elsewhere so that replies can be made.


1,156 posted on 10/02/2006 1:26:51 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: mewzilla
And FWIW, we don't know that she didn't call the cops. Did she, and was she blown off? If so, I think the public needs to know that, too.
1,157 posted on 10/02/2006 1:27:23 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

We don't know that she didn't contact police either at this point, just that she didn't know where he was. I guess we will have a clearer picture over the next day or so. I can hear your frustration and I understand, but I can also imagine his family grieving intensely and blaming themselves as well.


1,158 posted on 10/02/2006 1:27:36 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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To: Jeff Head

That's right.

I listened to a press conference on the radio. I missed the beginning, so I don't know the identity of the speaker, but he was speaking for the PA State Police.

32 year old truck driver, father of three. He delivered milk. He was scheduled for a random drug test today, which every truck driver must submit to from time to time. No word on whether or not he showed up for that. No known criminal history. He did leave suicide notes to his kids. His wife found the notes, read them, and called him on his cell phone. By then, the police were already at the school. He had sent all the boys and some of the adults out, and tied the girls' feet together, and lined them up at the chalk board. When the police arrived, he called a local radio station, and told them if the police didn't leave, he'd begin shooting in ten seconds. Which he then proceded to do. The police broke in through the windows, as he had the doors blocked with 2X4s and 4X4s, which he brought with him. He was already dead by the time they got in. The spokesman said something about this possibly being related to something that happened twenty years ago, but he didn't elaborate. I'm curious to know what that's about.

After a lengthy explanation of the situation, and several well thought out questions from reporters, some reporterette asked if all the students were Amish. He gave her a straight answer, but I would have had to tell her "No, half of them were Muslim." Come on! She had to be surrounded by bonnets and straw hats, and that's the best question she could come up with?


1,159 posted on 10/02/2006 1:27:46 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; bboop; blu; cgk; Clintonfatigued; ...
Breaking News... Shooting at an Amish school in PA...

Our sympathies and prayers for the families of the victims.

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1,160 posted on 10/02/2006 1:27:58 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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