Now that's as new one lol.
Invasion of the Neo-Yankees
Posted on 05/09/2006 8:33:28 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
WASHINGTON -- Back in the 2004 presidential primaries, when Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont, suggested that Democrats should be competing for the votes of young men with Confederate flags on their pickups, politicians from both parties rushed to accuse him of repeating a vile Southern stereotype: the redneck with antiquated views on race. < SNIP >
''Howard Dean knows about as much about the South as a hog knows about Sunday," quipped Georgia Senator Zell Miller, the conservative Democrat who supported President Bush. ''Sure, we drive pickups, but on the back of those pickups, you see a lot of American flags. It's the most patriotic region in the country. And you see hard-working individuals that want to instill values in their children, and you see a very, very strong work ethic in the South. He doesn't understand the South." < SNIP >
Many Southerners express outrage at Northern depictions of Confederate-loving Southerners, even as they accede to the idea that the flag has a place in their regional heritage. Only those inside the Southern family circle can truly understand the region's complicated relationship with its own history.< SNIP >
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lincoln is better compared, as POTUS, with "wee willie klintoon". they were "two of a kind" = amoral,dishonest, shyster lawyers, who would do ANYTHING to get ahead.
free dixie,sw
Every day! ;0)
the ELITES of the northeast especially do NOT want their "precious,lilly-white darlin' children" to have to sit next to someone of a different skin-tone/religion/ethnicity at school!(like my 15YO niece, for example. they think that her "red skin" might "rub off" on their kids.)
but i still think that 100 or so "good 'ole southern lads/ladies " of the sort that:
1. boycotted the buses in Montgomery,
2.went to jail with MLK, Jr,
3. sat in at lunch counters,
4.registered voters in MS (in the early 60's) &
5.especially those dixie HEROES,who faced Bull Connor's police dogs/uniformed thugs/fire hoses,
could/WOULD "shake things up" in "oh, so wunnerful,wunnerful" Boston.
free dixie,sw
Let's see, a man who ignored his own constitution at will, tossed opponents in prison, lived for marshal law, nationalized industries like salt and textiles and liquor, seized private property without compensation "for the war effort", confiscated a percentatge of all agricultural produce "for the war effort", required private ship owners to reserve a percentage of their cargo space for government cargo without payment "for the war effort", and on and on and on. Oh, and kept a considerable percentage of his population in bondage to boot.
If Jeff Davis was alive right now he'd feel right at home running Cuba.
Here's more information about this for your perusal.
http://www.uscourts.gov/outreach/resources/fedstate_lessonplan.htm
Introduction
The judicial system in the United States is unique insofar as it is actually made up of two different court systems: the federal court system and the state court systems. While each court system is responsible for hearing certain types of cases, neither is completely independent of the other, and the systems often interact. Furthermore, solving legal disputes and vindicating legal rights are key goals of both court systems. This lesson is designed to examine the differences, similarities, and interactions between the federal and state court systems to make the public aware of how each system goes about achieving these goals.
Now that's as new one lol.
Invasion of the Neo-Yankees
I see Norman is still on his warpath :)
Of course that leaves you trying to explain why the 13th Amendment was passed
The right to have escaped slaves returned was put in the Constitution. (Article 4, Section 2, Clause 3 )
Because South Carolina, in particular, had said upfront that that unless slavery was protected, they wouldn't join the Union.
"Mr Pinkney. South Carolina can never receive the plan if it prohibits the slave trade".Seems like South Carolina was holding a gun to the moral sense of most of the country as early as 1787.
Records of the Federal Convention"Mr. Madison. Mr. Chairman, I should conceive this clause to be impolitic, if it were one of those things which could be excluded without encountering greater evils. The Southern States would not have entered into the Union of America without the temporary permission of that trade; and if they were excluded from the Union, the consequences might be dreadful to them and to us."
Virgina Ratification Debates
Then I'm calling the ACLU and suing myself.
So now you are going to defend slavery as the law of the land as well.
In the very begining of this nation a document was forged to state why we were forming this country. You know it well it is the Declaration of Independence, or as it was written...
In CONGRESS, July 4 1776
The Unanimous Declaration of the thirteen United States of America
One of the first things this document declared..
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
All men are created equal and that all men have the unalienable right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Dwell upon the vision of our founding fathers for a second, they were truly geniuses of a kind that seldom walk the earth, they discussed slavery, in fact the very issue almost ended the establishment of this country as well as the establishment of our government a few years later.
Each time rather then divide and fragment into seperate countries cooler heads prevaled and the issue was set aside until such time as the country was strong enough to meet it head on, but it is clear from the very beginning of this country that they believed that all men were created equal in the eyes of God and had the right to liberty or in other words the right to be free from the chains of oppresssion and that no man could be a slave in this country.
And of course nowhere in the Constitution does it say that one man is allowed to own another man as property.
What the constitution does say in Article IV. - The States Section 2 - State citizens, Extradition is "No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, But shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due." That section was later amended and removed as part of Amendment XIII of the Bill of Rights- Slavery Abolished.
A person held to service or labor is not a slave, it is the very definition of an indentured servant or an apprentice both practices still in effect when the Contitution was written, A indentured servant served to paid off a debt and an apprentice labored to become a master at his craft under a master of his craft. Both served for a finite period of time as per legally binding contract between both parties for the benefit of both parties, with their masters being "to whom such Service or Labour may be due."
A slave being owned as property owes his owner nothing, nor was he entered into a contract where he would benefit from a limited period of service, he is forced to work as his owner by threats of physical violence and even death, he is beaten whipped, chained, abused, and treated in such a manner that if he was anything more then chattel property his owner would be sent to jail.
So why didn't the founding father abolish slavery in the beginning of this country when they clearly wanted to, it was one of the compromise of morality they had to make to "form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".
They knew a day would come when slavery would be abolished either by law or by necessity and rather then lose everything before they started they choose to allow it until it could be abolished.
As for House of Representatives, Fugitives from Justice
30 Jan. 1818 Annals 31:837--40 it may have passed the house but can you prove it was ever enacted as law and signed by the president or that it was ever considered by the Senate?
And if it didn't how could it ever be the law of the land?
Can I show you were the president has "the authority to cause the deaths of almost a million Americans because he has an attack of *Enlightenment*?"
Easy as pie
Article II. - The Executive Branch
Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
I think that should be clear enough for you, but since we at it and I have supplied you with the location of where the president is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States.
Now I get to ask for you to show me where in the constitution that it says that the individual States may secede any time they wish to remove themselves from the United States, remember to include the exact text as well as the article and section please as part of your proof as I have done for you.
Do you need a link to the US Constitution or can you find it by yourself?
Now I think that it would be interesting.
I think that Bull Connor found the shoe on the other foot when it was announced that the Freedom Riders would be armed. After that, the attacks slacked off, and he couldn't sick his dogs on people with impunity.
The PC types never tell that part. Good thing that the whites who went along were not disarmed by the Black Codes. And yes, many of those whites were enlightened southerners. YAY! They exist!
How do you define best? Lincoln never raped his slaves. Lincoln never have any.
Lincoln did put a lien on a railroad company, until the paid him the fee he demanded for work performed. I bet the railroad company felt rather violated when they wrote the check for $20,000.
Jeff, by comparison, was a legend in his own mind, never as grand as he thought, never as competent as he wished. He delayed far too long to set up a "Confederate" military command, and never bothered to appoint anyone to the Confederate analog to the US Supreme Court. He called for troops before Lincoln, thus setting ther terms of engagement between the rebels and the US: a military confrontation.
Lincoln was responsible for the successful prosecution of the US war effort against the rebellion. Davis was responsible for the attacks by the South against Union forces seeking to enforce federal law.
Your wonderful West Point graduate with every advantage of breeding, wealth, and education was out maneuvered at every turn, and defeated by a partly schooled backwoods country lawyer. So glad that with all that advantage, and with that poor a performance, you assert he was the better man.
How silly you appear.
How about we put it this way.
The Rebellion was about slavery. The effort to continue the Union had many causes.
The North had deferred to the southern slavers on many matters. No tax on exports, delayed ban on slave trade, even giving their property partial representation in the Congress. Taxes collected in the North went to fortify southern ports, hiring southern slaves to do the work.
Then, after all that forbearance on the part of the more populous and wealthier northern states, the spoiled sons of southern slaver/rapists wanted to set their own terms for departure, seizing uplands where slavery was not popular, and drafting southern men to protect their interests.
Many people in the US, North and South were opposed to an attempt by European interests to separate the growing US into squabbling ministates. Many people in North and South were opposed to extention of the problems inherent to Slave based society to the territories.
No wonder that Tennessee provided 56 regiments to fight for the Union. No wonder that the US first Alabama regiment was among the most reliable troops that Sherman took through Georgia.
Liberty and Union, One and Inseparable.
The states did not create the US. The US was created by the People, acting through their representitives (As Continental Congress) and updated the US government with the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution.
Washington was the 17th President. As he took his oath, the 16th stood next to him, though the 16th president has been elected by the terms of the Confederation.
The People! Because of that, Webster accepted financial support from Southern benefactors, just as Calhoun accepted funds from Western supporters.
One country.
When ever you defeat an enemy, occupy their land, and make them submit, they will always console themselves with their valor.
The victor, if he has sense, will never disagree.
Grant said he admired the southern soldier. Particulaly the many who fought for the Union.
The South was never a sugar daddy. Cotton, its major crop was not taxed! Nor were slaves, its major form of portable wealth.
The US paid to fortify southern ports, and hired southern slaves as laborers to do so. The US fought a major war against Mexico to secure the largest possible borders for Texas, then paid 15 million dollars to Mexico to secure southern land for the expansion of slavery.
Most tariffs were collected in Northern ports. US military payments went to forces stationed in the South, on the border with Mexico. The south had a far greater share of civil service jobs, because they were one of the few jobs that whites could perform with their honor intact. US marshals in all states were kept busy tracing slaves in support of the Fugitive Slave Law.
The south was certainly not a cash cow.
Alas, two mistakes in that post.
Exports had no tariff. Cotton was an export. Though the US Navy provided security for Southern Cargos (often in New England ships) the Cotton and Tobacco exports were not taxed.
Imports were taxed. If the South imported goods from the North, they paid no tax at all. If they imported goods from England/Europe, they paid Tariff.
and the share of representation for slaves was 3/5ths.
I guess it really must chafe your panties that Lincoln is on the penny! Rather ruins it as a symbol of your favorite kind of traitor.
Not to mention on the $5 bill.
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