Posted on 04/22/2006 4:26:18 PM PDT by SheLion
You're awakened to the sound of furious pounding on your door.
“This is the police, permission to enter!”
The voice seems loud enough to wake the neighborhood. You look at your alarm clock - 6:15 A.M. - and you wonder what on earth is going on. You stumble towards the door and open it, only to be greeted by a dozen black-garbed men with submachine guns. They quickly set you aside and begin rummaging through everything you own. One of the officers spots several cigarette butts in an ashtray on your kitchen table, and places them in a plastic bag labeled “Evidence.” Before you know it, you're headed to the local police station in handcuffs. The following day, the police blotter in the local newspaper reads, “local citizen charged with class 1 misdemeanor for possession of tobacco.”
Does that situation sound too ridiculous to ever happen? It should. But think about it: the police already conduct raids that are just like the one I described. Except they're for marijuana. Actually, I witnessed one while I was on my way to the bus stop one morning a couple months ago.
Now consider the fact that cigarettes are more harmful than marijuana, and considerably more addictive. Also consider the fact we seem to be experiencing the beginning of a war on tobacco, with bans on smoking in public places cropping up everywhere. Does the situation I described seem so farfetched now? I really see it happening 10 or 20 years into the future, if current trends continue.
Of course, I'm not saying that all the people who want to ban smoking in restaurants, bars and workplaces actually want to ban smoking entirely. But the problem is that the ban on smoking in those so-called “public” places (they're actually private property) is a slippery slope towards a total ban. That is because the people arguing against smoking in those places are arguing as if saving lives is more important than anything else - including freedom.
If you take that argument to its logical conclusion, then we'd have to outlaw alcohol (kills 80,000 Americans per year), obesity (300,000 per year) and finally, tobacco (400,000 per year).
I'm not sure if I believe the numbers are actually that high, but regardless, people die because of those things. If life was the overriding value, then we'd have to round up all drinkers, the obese and smokers, put them in camps, and “reeducate” them so that they would live healthier lifestyles.
I don't really think we want that. What we need to do instead is recognize that a wide range of things are valuable, including life, freedom, and happiness. And we also need to recognize that we are not omniscient, and our values aren't necessarily the same as other people's values. Therefore, we shouldn't act like we're doing “good” by imposing one value on everyone.
Rather, we should let people make their own value judgments as much as possible. If someone judges that smoking is more valuable than avoiding health problems down the road, then we shouldn't interfere if we respect him or her as an autonomous person. The freedom to choose may very well result in people choosing dangerous activities that eventually kill them. So be it.
When you hear a statistic like “Tobacco kills 400,000 Americans per year,” remember that tobacco isn't jumping out of bushes and killing people that walk by at night. People choose to smoke tobacco, and they choose to accept the health risk (which is well known by now). You may try to convince these people to change, but you may not force them to change.
Unfortunately, many of the people involved in government and public health haven't realized that yet. Our current Surgeon General, Richard Carmona, has stated that he supports a ban of all tobacco products. Also, about 25 states have some sort of ban on smoking in restaurants, bars, workplaces or other “public” areas. A number of public health groups are working right now to make Virginia a “smoke-free” state.
A lot of what is happening is due this claim: smoking doesn't just kill smokers but also other people with second hand smoke. That claim sounds so plausible that even I used to believe it. The problem is that it's unproven. You can cite all the studies you want that “show” that SHS kills, and I can tell you why they have problems. The most fundamental problem with them is that most claim a relative risk from SHS of about 1.3.
A relative risk of 1.3, in theory, means that living with a smoker all your life increases your risk of getting cancer by about 30%. In reality though, a relative risk below about 2 or 3 doesn't mean anything at all. According to the National Cancer Institute, “In epidemiological research, relative risks of less than 2.0 are considered too small and difficult to interpret. Such increases may be due to chance, statistical bias, or the effect of confounding factors that are sometimes not evident.”
In addition, the 1.3 is for people who live with a smoker all their lives. For people who are exposed to a little smoke in restaurants and bars on weekends, I think we can safely assume that the increase in risk of getting cancer is zero. SHS, therefore, is a non-issue.
We need to reverse this disturbing trend towards banning tobacco. Regardless of whether you smoke or not (I don't), you should still care about preserving freedom from misguided people. However good their intentions may be.
Hmmm.... because the mods hate smokers too? Just hazarding a guess.
I'd sure hate to think that. But this is the first time I ever had one of my threads moved like this. I wasn't aware of it, until someone freep mailed me asking why it went to the smokey back room.
Oh well. :(
(PS: They ALL don't hate smokers. This cruise coming up is accommodating FReepers who smoke. So, not all of the higher ups hate us. :)
Thanks for the ping!
Can you ask why it was moved?
That's why you post. So you can egg somebody into a fight.
Cigarette smokers are a pitiful bunch.
Good debate is what FR is all about. We all enjoy discussing issues and this forum has the best software on the internet for doing so.
Cigarette smokers are a pitiful bunch.
I've been communicating with Shelion on FR for many years and I can assure you that she is a very sweet person.
Cigarette smokers are a pitiful bunch.
My main interest is to get the news out there of what our government and the city councils are doing to the private business owners. If you think this is wrong, then I think you better rethink freedoms!
I never "egg" anyone into a fight unless they "egg" me first. Such as yourself. Who is calling the kettle black here? "Cigarette smokers are a pitiful bunch??"
Now. Who is trying to goad WHO into a fight????? I did not say this. YOU did. And if you think we FReepers are a weak bunch, you have another thought coming.
You think I am pitiful because I smoke? Well, guess what. You made my "Despicable FReepers List" quite some time ago. So I am well aware of when you come into a thread and we all get ready! heh!
You are one nasty dude.
Thank you. And I give back what I am given. If we have a dirty anti Freeper come into a thread and start spewing nasty names at us, I will not take it. Not for me and not for my friends.
This person states that it is "I" who tries to start a fight. When have you ever witnessed ME trying to start a fight? Only NOT until I am attacked first. And I don't see many of us in here that will put up with it. Do you?
LOL!!! I've posted to you twice in my eight years here. This one makes the third time.
The fact that you keep a "Despicable FReepers List" indicates your level of paranoia; that you have a need to demonize people and invite your fellow butt-suckers to do the same.
Cigarette smokers: the most self-centered people in the universe.
Cigarette smokers are a pitiful bunch.
Another amateur psychologist. Is that what you navel-gazers do when you sit down and light up a butt? Talk about other people?
I feel sorry for him. At least cigarette smoke can be washed off. His fascism NEVER can. Pity. But I am glad we can provide him with his "jollies." Probably the only way he can get them off, don't you think? hehe!
Why don't you crawl back under your rock. You are one of the nastiest people in FRee Republic!
Oh! And don't even think about going on the FReeper Cruise. SMOKERS will be accommodated. I doubt very much if you would like that!
Another amateur psychologist. Is that what you navel-gazers do when you sit down and light up a butt? Talk about other people?
"Cigarette smokers are a pitiful bunch."
No mean like that?
Republican party hacks are too. You are ample evidence of that.
Are you a smoker too? Yikes!!!
I feel sorry for him.
No, butt sucking Republican party hacks are the most self centered people in the universe.
If the Republican Party endorsed smoking tomorrow, you'd probably start smoking.
Not a smoker. Not now. Not ever. I just appreciate the freedom that allows those who choose to indulge in that (or other) behavior to do so. I also value the private property rights of bar and restaurant owners to make their own decisions as to whether to allow smoking or not.
Those are concepts that you just can't imagine.
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