Posted on 03/27/2006 9:53:41 AM PST by Pukin Dog
Just a little dose of reality for some of you going nuts over the Immigration issue, because there is NO chance that you will win on the border enforcement issue. No chance whatsoever. Only after a migrant worker program passes, making most of these illegal aliens legal, is there any chance at all to have meaningful border enforcement.
Bush is not running for office anymore, but the Republican Congress is in need of a big victory in November. This issue will kill our chances to maintain the majority, and knowing that, Bush will likely veto any bill making illegal immigration a felony, if that bill does not include the migrant worker program (call it amnesty if you want) needed to hold onto Business and Hispanic support for the Republican Party.
The Illegal Immigration Genie is out of the bottle, folks. You can’t stuff her back in without losing the House and/or Senate in November. Pragmatic minds will rule in the end, and that is a bitter pill you best swallow now.
FReepers can’t will elections for the Republican Party, but we sure can go a long way towards losing them, if we can’t put our common sense ahead of our passions on this issue. I live in San Diego County, and I see the problems with illegal immigration on a daily basis.
Whether you like it or not, much of the commerce of this country does depend on these folks to do jobs that Americans won’t do for the prevailing wage.
So, you have a choice, you can demand the border enforcement bills on their own, or you can swallow hard and consider everything you will lose if we turn off 10-15% of the electorate, in addition to the business community that depends on these workers. Yeah, they broke the law, and so do the people who hire them.
So what?
Yeah, I said it, SO WHAT? The time to be worried about that was when there were REAL Republican majorities in the Border States. It is too late now. This is a problem that cannot be solved, but only managed.
It is possible to be right and stupid at the same time. Pete Wilson tried this a few years ago, got all kinds of support for it. It passed, and Pete Wilson is gone. Then a judge overturned it anyway. That is exactly what you can expect to happen with these current bills as well. Some judge will put an injunction on enforcement, but by the time that happens, we will be knee-deep into impeachment proceeding under a Democrat Congress.
Bush won’t let that happen, neither will smarter members of the Senate and House. You won’t win, you can’t win, but you can shoot yourself and the Republican party in the head (even if you are not a member) by pursuing a program that does not include amnesty or whatever you want to call it.
We lost this one.
Get over it. There are bigger battles ahead.
You make very very good points. Now why is it that those who can, won't. Because just like the first world trade center attack there was another. There will be an attack from across the border it's just a matter of time. But then again the attack started a long time ago. The Senate,the President can't even put more border controls out to make a dfference.I will not vote again for anyone who does not take national security serious and protect the border. Why does there have to be alot of people die for polticians to be serious.And if illegal immigrants do not have to obey the laws of this country who wants them here anyway.And why is everything you see now have spanish? That just burns the hell out of me. Your right things are made so easy they don't even have to speak English we are suppose to learn spanish.
The majority of the electorate supports a far tougher immigration policy than we currently have, so it follows that the tougher the President's position on the issue the greater the chances the GOP maintains/increases its congressional majority. If anything, the President vetoing a bill that makes illegal residency a felony would put the nail in the GOP's coffin for the midterms.
The sentiments of most legal citizens of Mexican heritage (who didn't break the law to get here) are as anti-illegal immigration as many on this forum, so there would be no worries about losing Latino voters after passing such a bill.
Wow! I'm gald I finally found the smoky back room. Just found this thread, and I could not agree more on putting this one behind us. Good job, Pukin Dog.
Oh, and if a tough border enforcement law is put in, just watch who gets shot. It will only take a couple.
A fact lost on many. But maybe not. Maybe they want the wages supressed. I am starting to realize there are quite a few in our party that want an oligarchy.
It will be interesting after these "11" (more like 25) million have been granted non-amnesty. What will they all end up doing if there is a recession and not as many jobs? How will our social service programs support them then, since the schools, hospitals, SSI, etc. are nearly tapped out now, in decent economic times? What will happen to crime rates? /rhetorical
If he gets the guts Visa plan, then he will get a Democratic congress in Nov.
The Dems want an all out amnesty.
Work for your local Republican if you want to prevent that.
The elite in both parties went to the same schools, walk in the same circles, and go to the same parties. They are much more alike than they are different.
Liberal Apples and Dem Oranges.
So true. And they are stalling on this because they've let it get out of hand over the last 20 plus years.
Tell that to your elected officials.
And if you have a problem with unenforced laws, maybe that ought to be your issue instead of xenophobia and isolationism.
One more thing, you want another law right? What on earth makes you think it will be enforced when the current one isn't?
If you or anyone else wants to sell their soul to the Devil, you go right ahead, because ANYONE who would aid and abet CRIMINALS is as guilty of the CRIME as the actual person who commits the CRIME, according to the Penal Code!! That includes Bush, Congress and those of you who are supporting the CRIME OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Do you understand who you're standing with? The side of CRIMINALS!! ANYONE who aids and abets them is a CRIMINAL too. THAT, FRiend is the LAW! Unless, of course, you're a Politician, because then you can just rewrite the law to suit your own desires/needs/benefits.
You are ignoring the big picture here. IF "We the People" let this government get away with another amnesty then you better KNOW that they will run right over the top of us for EVERYTHING else they want to do. Right now the First Amendment is under attack by none other than the man you say we should capitulate to support, John McCain. He will be the GOP candidate for President The Second Amendment is in danger under McCain too, because he's anti gun.
So, to answer your question about winning or being right, I have to tell you that if winning means to compromise every value and belief that I've ever had just to be right, then I don't want to win. IF winning means that we would spit on the grave of every man and woman who ever lost their lives protecting our FREEDOM, or every person who fought to preserve that FREEDOM, then HELL NO, I don't want to win. I KNOW how to fight the RATS, because I KNOW they are EVIL but, so help me God, I CANNOT tell the difference when I look at Bush, McCain and the other RINOS!! THEY are just as EVIL. WINNING THROUGH CAPITULATING IS NO WIN AT ALL. I have more SELF RESPECT than that. I'm sorry you don't.
From a fiscal standpoint, a Republican majority is worse than girls gone wild. I'd prefer a split government any day!
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