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Churches urged to back evolution
British Broadcasting Corporation ^ | 20 February 2006 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 02/20/2006 5:33:50 AM PST by ToryHeartland

Churches urged to back evolution By Paul Rincon BBC News science reporter, St Louis

US scientists have called on mainstream religious communities to help them fight policies that undermine the teaching of evolution.

The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) hit out at the "intelligent design" movement at its annual meeting in Missouri.

Teaching the idea threatens scientific literacy among schoolchildren, it said.

Its proponents argue life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own.

As the name suggests, intelligent design is a concept invoking the hand of a designer in nature.

It's time to recognise that science and religion should never be pitted against each other Gilbert Omenn AAAS president

There have been several attempts across the US by anti-evolutionists to get intelligent design taught in school science lessons.

At the meeting in St Louis, the AAAS issued a statement strongly condemning the moves.

"Such veiled attempts to wedge religion - actually just one kind of religion - into science classrooms is a disservice to students, parents, teachers and tax payers," said AAAS president Gilbert Omenn.

"It's time to recognise that science and religion should never be pitted against each other.

"They can and do co-exist in the context of most people's lives. Just not in science classrooms, lest we confuse our children."

'Who's kidding whom?'

Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education, which campaigns to keep evolution in public schools, said those in mainstream religious communities needed to "step up to the plate" in order to prevent the issue being viewed as a battle between science and religion.

Some have already heeded the warning.

"The intelligent design movement belittles evolution. It makes God a designer - an engineer," said George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory.

"Intelligent design concentrates on a designer who they do not really identify - but who's kidding whom?"

Last year, a federal judge ruled in favour of 11 parents in Dover, Pennsylvania, who argued that Darwinian evolution must be taught as fact.

Dover school administrators had pushed for intelligent design to be inserted into science teaching. But the judge ruled this violated the constitution, which sets out a clear separation between religion and state.

Despite the ruling, more challenges are on the way.

Fourteen US states are considering bills that scientists say would restrict the teaching of evolution.

These include a legislative bill in Missouri which seeks to ensure that only science which can be proven by experiment is taught in schools.

I think if we look at where the empirical scientific evidence leads us, it leads us towards intelligent design Teacher Mark Gihring "The new strategy is to teach intelligent design without calling it intelligent design," biologist Kenneth Miller, of Brown University in Rhode Island, told the BBC News website.

Dr Miller, an expert witness in the Dover School case, added: "The advocates of intelligent design and creationism have tried to repackage their criticisms, saying they want to teach the evidence for evolution and the evidence against evolution."

However, Mark Gihring, a teacher from Missouri sympathetic to intelligent design, told the BBC: "I think if we look at where the empirical scientific evidence leads us, it leads us towards intelligent design.

"[Intelligent design] ultimately takes us back to why we're here and the value of life... if an individual doesn't have a reason for being, they might carry themselves in a way that is ultimately destructive for society."

Economic risk

The decentralised US education system ensures that intelligent design will remain an issue in the classroom regardless of the decision in the Dover case.

"I think as a legal strategy, intelligent design is dead. That does not mean intelligent design as a social movement is dead," said Ms Scott.

"This is an idea that has real legs and it's going to be around for a long time. It will, however, evolve."

Among the most high-profile champions of intelligent design is US President George W Bush, who has said schools should make students aware of the concept.

But Mr Omenn warned that teaching intelligent design will deprive students of a proper education, ultimately harming the US economy.

"At a time when fewer US students are heading into science, baby boomer scientists are retiring in growing numbers and international students are returning home to work, America can ill afford the time and tax-payer dollars debating the facts of evolution," he said. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/4731360.stm

Published: 2006/02/20 10:54:16 GMT

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To: Elsie

LOL...cute, I like that Elsie.


1,221 posted on 02/21/2006 1:52:33 PM PST by csense
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To: Elsie
Oscillating eye sizes, head shapes that shift back and forth, teeth that are large, then small, then large again.

Changes of that nature are commonly referred to by creationists as "microevolution", and accepted without demur. The significant "macro-evolutionary" changes are less obvious at a casual glance, but are explained in the text.

But then you've had that explained on several occasions in the past, but you still come back, dumb as a stump, with the "I believe this stuff" quip.

1,222 posted on 02/21/2006 1:52:34 PM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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To: Thatcherite
But then you've had that explained on several occasions in the past, but you still come back, dumb as a stump, with the "I believe this stuff" quip.

And I'll do it EVERY time some of that Itchy stuff is posted!

Once again; you guys get your own INTERPRETATION of the data: NOT your own data!

1,223 posted on 02/21/2006 1:54:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: P-Marlowe; PresbyRev


Take a look at my 1214 - he was a young priest. And tell me, what are they teaching in seminary these days? One world government includes one world religion, and by the look of all that's been happening in this country lately, it won't be the Christian religion.


1,224 posted on 02/21/2006 1:54:37 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Elsie

It is a lifestyle that is supposed to prepare you for the afterlife.

Hence, religion. You don't have to have prayer for it to be a religion.


1,225 posted on 02/21/2006 1:56:06 PM PST by stands2reason (It's now 2006, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: spazzedgadfly
...i also belive that this is a cancer that must be treated - not only for the conservative viewpoint but for the good of the country.

And you can support that notion using what principle(s) of Democracy or Conservatism?

1,226 posted on 02/21/2006 2:00:56 PM PST by csense
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To: Dimensio; presently no screen name
This is about a claim that any attempt at exposing a falsehood on pnsn's part, no matter what the subject or context, is tantamount to calling God a liar.

So rather than politely point out the actual flaws in the statement as you have many times before. You seemed in this case to find it more appropriate to defeat his argument by making the potentially false assumption that he claims to be God, then calling him an arrogant, delusional liar.
1,227 posted on 02/21/2006 2:03:27 PM PST by darbymcgill
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To: Elsie
Fine, and preventing the ark from falling to the ground is a greater offense than simply letting it happen?

And as far as I know, the ark wasn't impaired by Uzzah's hand touching it. The ancient Hebrews still kept using it and didn't throw it away or asked their god to give them a new one because Uzzah, that stupid wretch, left his fingerprints on the gold plating since he forgot to put on gloves.

Furthermore, what I don't understand is that this omnipotent god, who allegedly created this vast universe with all the planets, suns, galaxies, galaxy-clusters, superclusters, etc. gets worked up about something petty like a guy inadvertently touching some wooden artifact. I mean what the...

1,228 posted on 02/21/2006 2:03:35 PM PST by BMCDA (If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't)
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To: Elsie; Junior

Look out, Junior; Elsie is going to send God after you.


1,229 posted on 02/21/2006 2:04:11 PM PST by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: darbymcgill
So rather than politely point out the actual flaws in the statement as you have many times before.

I admit that I wasn't terribly polite, but it's really hard to be polite to someone who claims that they are either God or that every word they speak comes directly from God.

You seemed in this case to find it more appropriate to defeat his argument by making the potentially false assumption that he claims to be God, then calling him an arrogant, delusional liar.

Except that he wasn't making an argument. There was nothing for me to "defeat".
1,230 posted on 02/21/2006 2:06:03 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: spazzedgadfly
Say, welcome to FR! I could swear I recognized you from your style of discourse, but I suppose that can't be the case. In your taxonomy you might want to include Those Who Must Not Be Spoken To. Since you are so new, you might not be familiar with the insouciantly deaf.
1,231 posted on 02/21/2006 2:07:45 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: spazzedgadfly
Say, welcome to FR! I could swear I recognized you from your style of discourse, but I suppose that can't be the case. In your taxonomy you might want to include Those Who Must Not Be Spoken To. Since you are so new, you might not be familiar with the insouciantly deaf.
1,232 posted on 02/21/2006 2:07:47 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Elsie
You are saying that you will enjoy watching people be cast into hell for eternity?
1,233 posted on 02/21/2006 2:12:00 PM PST by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: BMCDA
And as far as I know, the ark wasn't impaired by Uzzah's hand touching it. The ancient Hebrews still kept using it and didn't throw it away or asked their god to give them a new one because Uzzah, that stupid wretch, left his fingerprints on the gold plating since he forgot to put on gloves.

He was lucky his head didn't melt. I saw a movie about that once so it must be true.

1,234 posted on 02/21/2006 2:13:31 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
His head didn't melt? God dropped the smite on him.
1,235 posted on 02/21/2006 2:16:21 PM PST by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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1,236 posted on 02/21/2006 2:17:39 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: When_Penguins_Attack

Nice summary.


1,237 posted on 02/21/2006 2:18:24 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Elsie
Me: Are Jews who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?

Elsie: Yes

Me: I guess those Jews got a nasty surprise after they perished in the Holocaust.

Elsie: No more than Joe Blow when he wrecked his car last week!

Suppose Joe Blow was your son. Wouldn't it torment you that he was suffering in Hell forever?

1,238 posted on 02/21/2006 2:18:39 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Junior
Nothing like that can be read into what I wrote. Hell, I'm arrogant and delusional, but I make logical arguments.

Well there you go then, we're in agreement. We both agree that calling someone arrogant and delusional is a fallacious way to defeat a logical argument... and makes perfectly my point in reference to the "I defy you to find a single Evo post that contains either a purposeful logical fallacy or flat out lie." post...

excellent... I'll score you an assist...
1,239 posted on 02/21/2006 2:18:55 PM PST by darbymcgill
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To: BMCDA

Actually, God didn't get worked up at all to kill Uzzah. He did, however, give instructions to build His Ark in such a way that it was a capacitor.

If you duplicate the instructions, your simulated Ark of the Covenant can store quite a hefty electric charge.


1,240 posted on 02/21/2006 2:19:32 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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