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America’s Descent Into the Third World
Chronicles Magazine ^ | Monday, July 25, 2005 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 07/27/2005 6:21:50 AM PDT by A. Pole

The June payroll jobs report did not receive much attention due to the July 4 holiday, but the depressing 21st century job performance of the U.S. economy continues unabated.

Only 144,000 private sector jobs were created, each one of which was in domestic services.

Fifty-six thousand jobs were created in professional and business services, about half of which are in administrative and waste services.

Thirty-eight thousand jobs were created in education and health services, almost all of which are in health care and social assistance.

Nineteen thousand jobs were created in leisure and hospitality, almost all of which are waitresses and bartenders.

Membership associations and organizations created 10,000 jobs, and repair and maintenance created 4,000 jobs.

Financial activities created 16,000 jobs.

This most certainly is not the labor market profile of a First World country, much less a superpower.

Where are the jobs for this year’s crop of engineering and science graduates?

U.S. manufacturing lost another 24,000 jobs in June. A country that doesn’t manufacture doesn’t need many engineers. And the few engineering jobs available go to foreigners.

Readers have sent me employment listings from U.S. software development firms. The listings are discriminatory against American citizens. One ad from a company in New Jersey that is a developer for many companies, including Oracle, specifies that the applicant must have a TN visa.

A TN or Trade NAFTA visa is what is given to Mexicans and Canadians who are willing to work in the United States at below prevailing wages.

Another ad from a software consulting company based in Omaha, Neb., specifies it wants software engineers who are H-1B transferees. What this means is that the firm is advertising for foreigners already in the United States who have H-1B work visas.

The reason the U.S. firms specify that they have employment opportunities only for foreigners who hold work visas is because the foreigners will work for less than the prevailing U.S. salary.

Gentle reader, when you read allegations that there is a shortage of engineers in America, necessitating the importation of foreigners to do the work, you are reading a bald-faced lie. If there were a shortage of American engineers, employers would not word their job listings to read that no American need apply and that they are offering jobs only to foreigners holding work visas.

What kind of country gives preference to foreigners over its own engineering graduates?

What kind of country destroys the job market for its own citizens?

How much longer will parents shell out $100,000 for a college education for a son or daughter who ends up employed as a bartender, waitress or temp?


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To: KevinDavis
Whatever socialist..

I was a small businessman almost all my live.

I have NO idea where you're coming from, wierdo!

281 posted on 07/27/2005 12:58:06 PM PDT by iconoclast ( "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive")
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To: KevinDavis

YOU SAID..."No one is entitled to a job.."

You're supposing or creating a false argument....then declaring yourself the winner of the argument.

No individual is entitled to any given job..that is true...but a government that had most of its citizens in low skilled jobs would not survive as a stable government...unless they were North Korea....or some other third world hellhole.

So lets put aside the dogma for a minute and address the reality of this article....what is your solution to this problem...or is there a problem?


282 posted on 07/27/2005 12:59:24 PM PDT by Dat Mon
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To: hlmencken3
An initial study by Alliance found a decline of 16 million manufacturing jobs in China from 1995 through 2002

There are lies, bigger lies, and statistics. If Chinese had 150 million workers in primitive Soviet/XIX style factories and now have 125 million in modern facilities relocated from US while creating much more other jobs through multiplying effect it is VERY GOOD for China.

283 posted on 07/27/2005 12:59:30 PM PDT by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: iconoclast

Nothing wrong with free trade if you can compete. I used to think the US was extremely competitive, but since 1980 I think something has gone really wrong.

Some facts from the CIA fact book 2005

Norway:
Agriculture: 2,2%
Industry: 36,2%
Service: 61,6%

USA:
Agriculture:0,9%
Industry: 19,7%
Services: 79,4%

I am from a small town of around 50000. I know that the last years the three main factories have reduced staff and increased productivity. One place have almost cut their staff in half and increased productivity. The other factory has had a productivity gain of around 10% with less workers. All of them are competitive. Our shipyards has full orders.


284 posted on 07/27/2005 12:59:41 PM PDT by tomjohn77
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To: KevinDavis
Fine by me, but it does not say someone has to have a good paying job..

I agree with you completely. A job should be a result of the ability and initiative of the individual. I believe however that the majority of our economic problems can be attributed to the fact that Article I, Section 10, Clause 1 stopped being followed a long time ago.

285 posted on 07/27/2005 1:01:13 PM PDT by simon says what
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To: jpsb
Bless you, jpsb.

I'm leaving. Gonna take my sweet wife out for some fun.

These mind boggling anti-American strange folks are definitely NOT fun! ;-)

286 posted on 07/27/2005 1:02:13 PM PDT by iconoclast ( "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive")
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To: chimera

"Once you've scrapped a major facility ..."

Newport News and Electric Boat are hardly on the endangered species list. Newport News employs about 19,000 people and Electric Boat about 11,500. They both have excess capacity and are constantly lobbying Congress and the Navy for more contracts. The decline in Navy shipbuilding is the primary reason why we have fewer and smaller domestic shipyards, and that is the result of a *political* decision having nothing to do with free trade. Let the Chinese and the Nordic countries build low-value commercial ships (which have very few complementarities with military shipbuilding) and we'll focus on building the next generation of aircraft carriers and submarines.

"Harder to replace is skilled labor and intellectual capital once that goes away."

Here I agree with you completely. But I am certain that, for example, Newport News would not turn down a contract for another carrier on the grounds that it couldn't hire the requisite skilled labor. They have turned down (or, more correctly, declined to bid on) commercial contracts because they don't think they can make money on them *and* they know from past experience that they wouldn't have beneficial spillovers for their defense work.


287 posted on 07/27/2005 1:03:06 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: durasell

I think you are speaking an unfortunate truth in terms of competition.


288 posted on 07/27/2005 1:04:20 PM PDT by cyborg (That's Mrs.Petronski to you thank you very much.)
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To: tomjohn77

Would engineering be considered a service job, I wonder?


289 posted on 07/27/2005 1:04:21 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: cyborg

Woe to those who bring bad news, etc. etc. etc.


290 posted on 07/27/2005 1:05:21 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: cyborg

I'm in a cab a couple of years ago and the Indian driver starts waving around a xerox of a letter. It was his son's acceptance into CalTech -- he was showing it to all the passenger.

How long you been in America?
Since 1972, I became citizen in 1978!

How you gonna pay for CalTech?
It is very easy, I'll work seven days now driving, and two days at my brother-in-law's store in queens.


You gotta want it.


291 posted on 07/27/2005 1:09:19 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

I dont know. It probably depends on what kind of field you are an engineer in. There are many industrial engineers.


292 posted on 07/27/2005 1:10:01 PM PDT by tomjohn77
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To: IamConservative
We are back to not being able to find qualified candidates. Hillary must be the ghost writer in this article.

What qualification are you looking for? Please be specific.

293 posted on 07/27/2005 1:10:35 PM PDT by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: tomjohn77

Suppose I design a new GPS that fits in a fountain pen. I send the specs to China so they could make it and then sell it through radio shack with their label. Am I in service or manufacturing?


294 posted on 07/27/2005 1:12:04 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

Wow that's amazing. My mother is a robot. I just don't know how she does it. I can work but I won't work for pennies. My mom really loves her job because she loves to take care of old people (two jobs sleeping out). I woke up a cabbie at the dmv yesterday as he was taking a really hard sleep and I thought he'd miss his number. I want things but I don't think I want it bad enough :(


295 posted on 07/27/2005 1:12:18 PM PDT by cyborg (That's Mrs.Petronski to you thank you very much.)
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To: A. Pole; IamConservative

"What qualification are you looking for? Please be specific."

Yes please clue me in too. I deal with consultants and other highly skilled senior technical people....Im anxious to know the skillsets you require.


296 posted on 07/27/2005 1:14:38 PM PDT by Dat Mon
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To: riverdawg
As for the alleged dearth of high-paying jobs for recent graduates, my father-in-law says it's extremely difficult for his small architectural/engineering firm to find qualified new hires for less than $100,000 a year.

What exactly are his requirements? Can you list them?

297 posted on 07/27/2005 1:14:54 PM PDT by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: riverdawg

The question is how we can compete in building boats. China is competitive because of the low cost of building. We are competitive because of our great skills in building all kind of vessels including the fastest military boat ever been in production. With probably on of the highest wages in the world.


298 posted on 07/27/2005 1:16:05 PM PDT by tomjohn77
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To: cyborg

I learn a lot from cabbies and black car guys. I once had a cabbie who cursed out Rudy using every foul obscene name they teach the first week you hit NYC. Finally I say, "Yo, please. Show some mercy." And he comes back with "This is America. First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. Free speech. And that &%^%%^$^% can't do anything to me!" To which I replied, "Yeah, but it's working the nerves and going to seriously impact the tip. Really."

Don't know where the guy was from, probably some place where leaders didn't take kindly to criticism.


299 posted on 07/27/2005 1:16:45 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: KevinDavis

"More BS"

You may call it BS, but Ronald Reagan did not when Doctor Roberts was in his administration and neither does Congress whenever they have called on him as a congressional witness.


300 posted on 07/27/2005 1:17:47 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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