Confederacy of the determined - (Southern heritage buffs vow "Confederate History Month")

WASHINGTON TIMES.COM ^ | APRIL 24, 2005 | Christina Bellantoni

[CHARLITE]

Southern heritage buffs vow to use the Virginia gubernatorial election as a platform for designating April as Confederate History and Heritage Month.

The four candidates have differing views on the Confederacy, an issue that has been debated for years in the commonwealth.

"We're not just a few people making a lot of noise," said Brag Bowling, a spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the oldest hereditary organization for male descendents of Confederate soldiers. "This is not a racial thing; it is good for Virginia. We're going to keep pushing this until we get it."

Each candidate recently shared his thoughts on what Mr. Bowling called a "litmus test for all politicians." Lt. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine would not support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Former state Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore would support something that recognizes everyone who lived during the Civil War.

Sen. H. Russell Potts Jr. and Warrenton Mayor George B. Fitch would support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Many past Virginia governors honored the Civil War or the Confederacy.

In 1990, former Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, the nation's first black governor, a Democrat and a grandson of slaves, issued a proclamation praising both sides of the war and remembering "those who sacrificed in this great struggle."

Former Govs. George Allen and James S. Gilmore III, both Republicans, issued Confederate History Month proclamations. In 2000, Mr. Gilmore replaced that proclamation with one commemorating both sides of the Civil War -- a move that enraged the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

Gov. Mark Warner, a Democrat, has refused to issue a gubernatorial decree on either side of the Civil War.

Mr. Kaine, another Democrat, would decline to issue a Confederate History and Heritage Month proclamation if he is elected governor, said his campaign spokeswoman, Delacey Skinner.

[stand watie]

understood.

m.eSPINola DARES NOT re-post his comments in full, as it likely would result in his permanent banning from FR.

frankly, i do NOT believe that he is a BIG ENOUGH person to ADMIT what he said AND that he harbors (NOT very well hidden) racial/cultural/religious opinions about American Indians , which are UNacceptable to MOST people on FR. NOR will he apologize to me, as he thinks what he said in #645 is A-OK.

PITY.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

do you REALLY believe ANY of that BILGE & PROPAGANDA, out of the MOST extreme, LEFTIST, self-righteous, fringe of northeastern academia?????

if you are, i'll happily sell you a bridge up in brooklyn, ny & get you a REALLY good deal on it.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

the FACT is that NONE of what you wrote in #830 is any more than YOUR opinion, which is based on NOTHING factual.

according to Sarah Brady & the "gun control crowd", the FIRST gun-control laws were passed in New England & NY state in the EARLY 1800s "to protect the population from armed criminals".

we all just know that the "lovely and marvelous Sarah" & the "gun control crowd" wouldn't LIE (wink-wink!) about something like that. ROTFL!

IF you have ANY REAL original evidence of your UNsupported OPINION (rather than FACT), PLEASE post it.

free dixie,sw

[M. Espinola]

TexConfederate1861 was nice enough to attempt to resolve this but judging from your opening barrage all the only remaining option is to quote you once again.

"(i confess to enjoying "blood sports", like ridiculing damnyankees...."

and this tid bit:

"another SELF-serving post from a person, who i strongly fear is not only a moron, but also a racist."

and I am the "moron?" Followed by yet another Stand classic.

"actually, #645 was MUCH MORE than the "tonto comment". it was OBVIOUSLY intended to be a slur against American Indians & our shared religious & cultural traditions.

Once more we are witness to Mr. Stand 'the psychic' and his uncanny ability to know all the inner thoughts of everyone "actually"; you should be able to quote my so-called mile long comments correctly and you can not other than Tonto. Or was that "OBVIOUSLY intended" on your part to begin with?mmm?

Where is your source, proof? Why did you have posting #645 removed in the first place?

"...religious & cultural traditions.." Your fortune telling abilities informed you that I made statements on these grounds too? Unbelivable! lol

Let's see how on target you really are. Ok, which dog do believe will win, place & show in the 3rd race and, you must get this also, the dog track I am thinking of, now! What is your final answer?

I apologize to anyone which has been subjected to reading all this insanity.

Pilgrim find another tree to bark up, this one is being cut down.

[stand watie]

#844 is just MORE BLATHER,STUPID attempts at humor, EVASIONS, NONSENSE & MISDIRECTION, intended to FOOL the unwary into believing that m.eSPINola is "a basically decent, if MIS-understood, person" rather than a BIGOT.

NICE TRY, but NO CIGAR, mr. SPIN! NOBODY with an "above room temperature IQ " is FOOLED.

APOLOGIZING to me & every other American Indian would make you LOOK BIGGER, if NOT BETTER.

free dixie,sw

[Heyworth]

i know ZILCH about that subject (as i told several people at the time i posted it!) other than what the newspaper printed.

So once again you are caught in a fabrication. Here's what you actually said:

Confederate States Of America (2005)

  Posted by stand watie to capitan_refugio

On Smoky Backroom 03/02/2005 8:57:39 AM PST · 3,200 of 4,989

nonetheless these THREE states DID lawfully declare war on the Axis powers,

the State of Maryland DID arm & operate STATE-OWNED armed motor & sailing (!) vessels, under their rights to arm/train/utilize STATE naval MILITIA forces AND

RI & TX DID grant letters of marque & reprisal against Germany/Italy/Japan.

NOTE: the US District Court for the Eastern District of Texas (sitting in Houston, TX) DID find in the case of the privateer gunboat,CORPUS CHRISTI, (concerning the German U-Boat gun battle at sea, 1942) in 1945-6 that the Letter of Marque & Reprisal , issued by the Legislature of the State of Texas in Jan 1942, was LAWFUL under the Law of War,

that the SEIZURE of the U-Boat in battle was LAWFUL under the Law of War & that the U-Boat was a lawful PRIZE of WAR, which was rightly the property of the STATE of TX(the submarine is on display in the County Park in Galveston.).

AND that the crew of the captured submarine were NOT prisoners of war of the UNITED STATES, but rather of the SOVEREIGN STATE of TEXAS!

once again, may i suggest that you read YACHTS AGAINST SUBS. (sadly, i do NOT own a copy of the book BUT the University of Houston has at least one copy that can be borrowed through Interlibrary loan.)

fyi, since i wrote about this subject yesterday, i found out that the State of New York MAY have granted some PRIVATE vessels permission to be ARMED & "to prey on enemy shipping & vessels" during WW1. (is this the SAME as a letter of marque? i do NOT know the answer to that question, as i'm NOT a maritime lawyer, but it certainly sounds like the same thing.)

free dixie,sw

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1311758/posts

In subsequent posts, which I'll be happy to pull up, you go so far as to post page citations from the book as your source for information, something I always found amazing, considering that you say you don't own the book.

[M. Espinola]

Do you think for one second you would lasted under the command of a man like Robert E. Lee, the man would have a non-stop headache with you around.

Good grief, if you were in the Civil War, (the one back in the early 1860's,) and had been captured the Union forces they poor schlubs would indeed be 'damnyankess' if they had to keep you overnight. You would have thrown back on the Confederate side in less than 30 minutes of raving just to aggravate the other side into surrendering. LOLOL

I am tired of reading you scream in rage and really sick and tired of typing to a knot-headed pest who is on a fishing expedition. Go bait someone else (poor souls) ...oh brother...

[M. Espinola]

I wish there was a u-boat to put him on and cast it off! :)

[M. Espinola]

[stand watie]

#847 is MORE MISDIRECTION & BLATHER, but ZILCH of substance!

i'm SURE you'd prefer if you had not "gotten caught with your pants at half-mast" but ALAS for YOU you did get caught.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

#849 is the MOST INTELLIGENT thing m.eSPINola has said YET on FR!

we can hope to receive even more of those sorts of posts from "MR SPIN & SPIN".

free dixie,

[M. Espinola]

I always retain receipts, so it's an easy procedure, the pants go back for a refund. Happy now? (I bet a number of people on here wish you could be taken back for a refund, or just returned..)

[Heyworth]

By the way y'all, the origin of this thread has to do with a Confederate Holiday: yea or nay?

I don't live in Virginia, so I don't have a dog in this fight. I honestly don't care what holidays they declare. But the SCV-types have got to expect that they're going to have to endure some counterspeech from folks who do think they have a dog in the fight.

[TexConfederate1861]

The Confederate GOVERNMENT had not surrendered...therefore it was an act of WAR.

[TexConfederate1861]

You are a sick individual. I have told you repeatedly in many posts, that slavery was and is wrong. Are you stupid, or just an imbecile? I assume you CAN read.

The only person that advocates fascism on this board is YOU.
What I "weep" over is the loss of constitutional government, the loss of my family property in Georgia, (1500 acres of land) and the dishonor shown to my brave ancestors by ignorant types like yourself. You must be old John Brown re-born. You see a slaver behind every tree.
My ancestor from Texas was a rancher! (in a non-agricultural area of Texas) Why do you suppose he fought? Not for slavery.......and that's for sure.

[TexConfederate1861]

After the fact doesn't count, o fount of Yankee wisdom.

[TexConfederate1861]

stand:

May I suggest that you BOTH just "chill", admit you both got overheated, and said some insulting things, and debate calmly, without name calling.

stand: A Southron man should try to be a gentleman, especially when his opponent calls a truce. Even our Confederate ancestors practiced a code of honor.

Espinola:

You should admit that your remark could be construed as a racial insult, and do the right thing as well.

I think we should ALL try to be more civil on these threads, and I include myself as well.

forthe: If we are going to debate, you are going to have to quit this calling everyone an evil slaver business. It simply isn't true, and you are trying to PROVOKE myself, and everyone else who is southern to ANGER! If you call yourself a Christian, you will desist.

[MacDorcha]

"Take your evil insanity somewhere else."

Hey, smartass, I'm a conservative. If I'm insane, why are you on this forum?

THINK SON!

And READ Leviticus. Theft and Slavery are seperate. Treatment of slaves is different from ownage of slaves. God's Word is His Word.

I DO NOT EXCUSE SLAVERY! I simply know that slavery is NOT a sin, thus says the Lord our God.

Take YOUR half-baked ideas back to DU.

[MacDorcha]

Then why didn't the North enact any gun laws demanding guns first? (Dust or no dust, what is your answer?)

Democrats were in control when it came out, BTW.

AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN: my purpose on this thread is NOT to excuse the South, but to show that the North was NOT Holier than a fly's ass at that point. Excuse the North if you want to get anywhere with me.

[MacDorcha]

"The world was much better because of it."

And now, the only places that have slaves are African. How much better is that? It still exists, and the same bloodlines have the same problem. Just on their own backyard instead of over here.

I don't recall who asked it (may have been Rush) of a black American (Militant Black Panther, just so we are clear) but here's the question:

Would you (as a black person) be BETTER or WORSE off- having been descended from slaves in America- than if you still lived in Africa?

YES, slavery is evil. But some people's lives ARE better now for it. I do NOT excuse it, but it must be known by yourself that "the world is better for it" is NOT a viable excuse if we were talking from the morality of the time. Monday Night Football isn't how we judge our actions' wisdom. It's in the moment we do so or before.