Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
If you'll check my past posts on this and other threads you'll see that I've been reasonably civil - with a little bit of sarcasm thrown in. ;)
Thanks for trying. :(
That's fine if it's what you wish, and I hope and pray nothing but good for you. I have made the same decision for myself.
That's not what this whole brouhaha is about, though. It's about who presumes to speak for another human being, when voice is denied her. It's about erring on the side of protecting the weakest and saddest among us. And it's not about someone allowing a natural death to take place, but someone with a vested interest in not allowing another to live--or even have ice chips on her parched tongue while that life is tortuously stripped from her.
Well, that sucks. : ( Is it because of what one person said??
Happy now? You'll get a different Admin Moderator... or will you? Wanna bet the same mod comes back, and pretends to be a different person?
Heh heh heh.
Barbara Olsen's book on HRC was called "Hell to Pay".
Uh-oh.
Quoting HRC.
The point with Barbara's title was the same as the point about Randall Terry using it; both should't have.
Sorry, I'll go take myself to a thread without speech police then, and the folks who all agree on everything can spend the rest of the thread affirming each other.
If you ever find one, ping me, will ya? I've not found one yet, and am still searching...
Please stop with the Nazi references. I'm neither Jewish nor German, but it's offensive. If you want to make a point, fine. Just find another analogy.
And I am outraged that Terri is being killed. If she really is PVS, then no one suffers in keeping her alive until all questions are answered. Unfortunately, the Schindlers allowed themselves to be taken in by publicity whores like Terry, Klayman and Sekulow. Now Jesse "I've never seen a camera I won't mug for" Jackson is down there.
Public opinion isn't against Terri, it's against the clowns who deign to speak for her.
Not a Nurse, but have the greatest respect for them, my sister is one, OB/GYN, presently on a ski vacation, so can't ask her or her hubby physician.
Can "flat EEG" people still breathe on their own???
Chad,
I've been at work all day, and now I'm in an evening class. Can you tell me why the Admin Mod came in on this thread? Did someone ask for a Mod? Why? Whoever it was, too bad she's gone. [I think it was a she.]
OMG!! Now that is funny!!
I guess the schindlers didn't know about this!
Quick! Someone tell them!!
Their pressers have been redundant for the past 12 days.
I won't. I'm happy to be a member of the dollar a day club here because I think this is the greatest forum on the internet. If it remains as insane as it has been for the past couple of weeks, I won't be here for the third quarter Freepathon, though.
There's a limit to the amount of pitchforks and torches that I can tolerate.
I think I'm close to edge now, but I'm willing to wait until after Terri's funeral to judge how it may have permanently affected the forum. We've let lunatics run the asylum far too long here. The damage will be lasting.
Thanks...you made an excellent point about always discussing the prognosis of the patient away from the bedside...you just never know if they can hear you or not, so you just assume that they can hear you and understand what is being said...
One problem ith the EEG is that it cannot measure activity or structure beyond the cerebral cortex...
The Brainstem, not measured by EEG, however, can still be functioning enough to perform teh involuntary body functions, such as breathing, eye blinking, and swallowing saliva etc...
No idea why. None. NObody ever tells me nothin'
Pobrecito.
Radio host Glenn Beck has been a big Schiavo supporter for years. He interviewed the doctor to no avail, and couldn't get much out of the guy that made sense. He stopped the call and then apologized to his radio listeners for having the guy on the air.
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