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I'm a liberal and I'm here to learn

Posted on 12/10/2004 9:37:54 AM PST by rogerv

Hi, gang,

I was a regular contributor to the Kerry Online Forum and am now a regular contributor to the Common Ground Common Sense forum. I am a liberal, but I'll be the first to admit, I don't have all the answers. In fact, many of hte questions that matter to me probably matter to you too. I'm concerned with questions about how to tame power, whether governmental or corporate. I'm concern with the rule of law and how we can get the powerful to take it seriously. I'm concerned with the erosion of civil liberties. And yes, I am concerned about some things you may associate with liberalism--social safety nets and taking care of those who fall through the institutional cracks.

I'm here because I think agreement is overrated and that critics can be your best friends: they keep you from getting sloppy or careless. At any rate, I think there are things I can learn from you. I don't expect you are all agreed on anything--I expect there is a lot of diversity of opinion here. If you are interested in what I have said over at Common Ground Common Sense, I'm using the same handle both places, and you should feel free to come over and look around.

Anyway, I'm new here. Anybody care to give me a tour?


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To: Just another Joe

Yeah, I scanned the thread.

Not much meat, but then, I'm not surprised...

RKBA
Size of Government
Taxation
Abortion
Borders
Judicial Activism
The Constitution itself
The Muhammadan Jihad against America and Israel +
"Seperation" of Church and State
States' Rights
Etc.


461 posted on 12/10/2004 11:42:13 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: longtermmemmory
I figured this thread was less for us and more a troll effort given the total absence of response from the original poster.

You figured right.

462 posted on 12/10/2004 11:42:56 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I'm a bright guy who is inexcuably over-educated.

And a darn good poster. That post you wrote was a real nice one to read. You have a very good way with words. Did you have some speech writer put that together for you (LOL)?

463 posted on 12/10/2004 11:43:31 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: Just another Joe

ROFLMAO!


464 posted on 12/10/2004 11:44:06 AM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: rogerv

Hello roger,

Welcome to Free Republic. I hope you will read all the replies and then take the time to do some more in-depth commenting.

Probably a bit daunting to have 400 or so replies to your thread/post almost immediately but so far you have done very little in the way of meaningful sharing of views for comparison.

I will watch this thread off and on to see what comes of it and you. I think if you really do have an open mind you will see some (probably not all) of your views changed.
For your children's sake, I hope so.


465 posted on 12/10/2004 11:44:39 AM PST by krunkygirl
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To: rogerv
The best way to learn things here is to lurk. I lurked
for about two years before I even registered to post.
So far, I haven't posted any articles....others are
much faster than me. I only reply occasionally, because
I hate spell check, and I do not construct good sentences.
And 9 times out of ten somebody else has said what I feel much better than I could say it myself. I have learned so much here, and so will you if you are open to reason.
466 posted on 12/10/2004 11:44:57 AM PST by jusduat (I am a strange and recurring anomaly)
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To: ApesForEvolution
err...separation that is...separation
467 posted on 12/10/2004 11:45:55 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: rogerv
I plan to start some threads that will be entirely here. At the moment I'm just getting acquainted. I'm not as troll. I'm in your house and plan to behave myself. That doesn't mean we will agree on everything. That doesn't even mean we will agree on anything! But I think the conversations will certainly be interesting, and perhaps even lively.

Just remember, FR is a forum for conservatives to meet and exchange ideas. Your post and presence is an exception - and without meaning offense, one I hope does not become a trend. We can all find places to go and get the liberal perspective and find boards that have the lively exchange between libs and conservatives. This board is not that place.

468 posted on 12/10/2004 11:46:16 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: jpsb
Your premises on good vs. evil is Marxist. Plus the point you
made,

"I look at government as a collective effort to battle evil and advance good."


What kind of crap line is that? What conservative thinks that?
You got to be kidding me?
469 posted on 12/10/2004 11:46:39 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: kidd

Thanks.


470 posted on 12/10/2004 11:47:01 AM PST by rogerv
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To: BraveMan
"I use the same screen name at DU as I do here. My aim is true. "

Interesting. DU is just too darned vile for me.

471 posted on 12/10/2004 11:47:56 AM PST by subterfuge ("Dems think 'Values' are what you get at WalMart"--subterfuge)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

It does. Thanks.


472 posted on 12/10/2004 11:48:04 AM PST by rogerv
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To: Earthdweller
Poor guy has only made it to responding to #27. This could take all week.

LOL

473 posted on 12/10/2004 11:48:06 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: tiamat

Y'know, he ain't a hit-n-run DUmper. He's being polite. I say let him stick around.


474 posted on 12/10/2004 11:48:43 AM PST by BJClinton (Socialism is the heroin of the intellectual.)
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To: rogerv

#461

Could you give us a quick run down so that we can move forward? TIA


475 posted on 12/10/2004 11:49:11 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: rogerv; tiamat; 4mycountry; TheBigB; VRWCmember; Zavien Doombringer; jriemer; mhking; ...
Welcome to FreeRepublic.com.


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . .don't be shy.


476 posted on 12/10/2004 11:50:04 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: rogerv; Darksheare; meowmeow; Constitution Day; 4mycountry; Poohbah; Grampa Dave; ...
Welcome to FreeRepublic, I am eager to hear what you have to offer, as long as you are willing to hear what we have to offer.

You will feel welcomed when real debate ensues, not blasting or name calling in that case, you can be rest assured that the Viking Kitties will have their play with you.

Please lurk and learn. That is what this forum is intended to do, enlighten those that are in the dark.

Feel free to ask questions and enjoy your stay


477 posted on 12/10/2004 11:50:42 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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To: rogerv
"I'm serious about conversing. And I plan on posting here."

That's cool. I see you're replying so you're apparently not looking to stir up trouble or make the site look bad. Welcome aboard and prepare to be changed. If you can handle the truth, this is the place to be.

478 posted on 12/10/2004 11:51:01 AM PST by subterfuge ("Dems think 'Values' are what you get at WalMart"--subterfuge)
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To: Mudboy Slim
Then you have been bamboozled, my FRiend...the Federal Leviathan has become a self-serving entity, more concerned with self-preservation growing its own power than serving the common good.

You have that exactly right.

479 posted on 12/10/2004 11:51:12 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: rogerv

welcome, I googled Common Ground Common Sense but cannot seem to find the URL; please provide.


480 posted on 12/10/2004 11:51:33 AM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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