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I'm a liberal and I'm here to learn

Posted on 12/10/2004 9:37:54 AM PST by rogerv

Hi, gang,

I was a regular contributor to the Kerry Online Forum and am now a regular contributor to the Common Ground Common Sense forum. I am a liberal, but I'll be the first to admit, I don't have all the answers. In fact, many of hte questions that matter to me probably matter to you too. I'm concerned with questions about how to tame power, whether governmental or corporate. I'm concern with the rule of law and how we can get the powerful to take it seriously. I'm concerned with the erosion of civil liberties. And yes, I am concerned about some things you may associate with liberalism--social safety nets and taking care of those who fall through the institutional cracks.

I'm here because I think agreement is overrated and that critics can be your best friends: they keep you from getting sloppy or careless. At any rate, I think there are things I can learn from you. I don't expect you are all agreed on anything--I expect there is a lot of diversity of opinion here. If you are interested in what I have said over at Common Ground Common Sense, I'm using the same handle both places, and you should feel free to come over and look around.

Anyway, I'm new here. Anybody care to give me a tour?


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To: johniegrad

Oops - spelling error - *Shirley*

:-)


441 posted on 12/10/2004 11:32:52 AM PST by dansangel (Thank you Veterans past and present!)
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To: rogerv

Well, aren't you FReaking special...we'll see.

I'll read your 1st day vanity thread...


442 posted on 12/10/2004 11:33:08 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: international american

international american wrote:


I was watching you eat through the monitor.




I WONDERED what the little blinking red light was on the monitor!

I'm gonna have to stop Freeping nekkid!


443 posted on 12/10/2004 11:33:21 AM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: Chi-townChief
remain competetive

REMAIN competitive?

444 posted on 12/10/2004 11:33:28 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: sodpoodle
Not a riposte? That's what I got on my first Vanity!

That's very quick and clever of you. The best I got was a ripping review. LOL!

445 posted on 12/10/2004 11:33:44 AM PST by OESY
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To: trisham

I FELT SLIGHT NAUSEA FROM THE BEGINNING..........


446 posted on 12/10/2004 11:34:24 AM PST by bperiwinkle7 ("In the beginning was the Word.....")
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To: rogerv
Don't take it personally. Some people here get really ticked over vanities. They don't bother me nearly as much as duplicate posts.

Stick around and if you have thick skin you may be pleasantly suprised... we "conservatives" really do have a reason for our conservativeness.

Mainly we want to maintain our country, way of life and traditions. We believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights as determined by our forefathers and not the communist-based ACLU.

447 posted on 12/10/2004 11:35:03 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: airborne

And a Merry Christmas to you to! :)


448 posted on 12/10/2004 11:36:08 AM PST by Americanwolf (Democratic Underground... Digital Crack for the the loony left.....Hey troll! Put the pipe down!)
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To: subterfuge
I use the same screen name at DU as I do here. My aim is true.

I'll admit I rarely post over there because the responses tend to be of little value; they tend to disintegrate very rapidly into character assassinations and ad-hominems. Insightful responses are rare over there.

449 posted on 12/10/2004 11:36:20 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: shadowman99

Thanks. For what it's worth, there were plenty of times at the old Kerry website when I told fellow democrats to mind their manners and not abuse the conservatives who came to visit.


450 posted on 12/10/2004 11:36:44 AM PST by rogerv
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To: rogerv
Hello Roger. I am a former liberal, came to conservatism via libertarianism. It looks to me that you might actually have many of the same leanings that I did.

Regardless, if you are serious about discussing things here, you will be alright. There are of course many @ssholes, as there are on any public forum, who might scare you off, but on the other hand, there are plenty of folks who would be willing to "meet" you straight up and talk about things. Being a former liberal, I'd gladly be one such person, since I believe I can still "see" things from the other perspective. In fact, I tell people that in my heart, I am still a liberal, it is my brain that makes me conservative. So anyways, Welcome.

451 posted on 12/10/2004 11:36:48 AM PST by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: rogerv
When is the last time you drank a big glass of...

452 posted on 12/10/2004 11:37:02 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: pbrown

Could be rabbit... could be! Yeah I will agree I do not want to see the office weakend... It was damaged under clintion... Bush has brought it back... we don't need to go that route again... ever!


453 posted on 12/10/2004 11:37:35 AM PST by Americanwolf (Democratic Underground... Digital Crack for the the loony left.....Hey troll! Put the pipe down!)
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To: rogerv
Sorry, here's the lexicon thread:
454 posted on 12/10/2004 11:37:36 AM PST by timpad (The Wizard Tim - Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade, Finder of Obscurata)
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To: rogerv
I've a couple questions for you....

Where would you rank ex-Pres. Bill Clinton...in a list of the last 20 Presidents?

How would you describe Bill Clinton to your son's?

TIA-

455 posted on 12/10/2004 11:38:08 AM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is as black as the devil's riding boots.................)
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To: brbethke

Thanks.


456 posted on 12/10/2004 11:38:37 AM PST by rogerv
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To: rogerv
I'm serious about conversing. And I plan on posting here.

Well then you better start conversing and posting. There are close to 500 replys to your original thread starter and about only 10 of them are yours. Half drivel about your children or thanks for welcoming you.

Let's have some substance!

457 posted on 12/10/2004 11:39:08 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: rogerv; hchutch; Poohbah; Grampa Dave; rdb3; Southack; Sabertooth
I'm concern with the rule of law and how we can get the powerful to take it seriously.

Welcome to FR. I appreciate the tact you've taken at approaching the folks here honestly and with at least an open enough mind to listen to what folks here say.

You're right in that there are a variety of opinions here, just as there are varying degrees of conservatism.

Your concern with the rule of law actually puts you on the same page with quite a few people here, myself included.

None of us here pretend to have all the answers either, and we all get into some healthy debates discussing them.

As some have said at this point, there is a wariness among folks here (and an itchy trigger finger sitting on the "Summon Mystic Lightning" key on more than one keyboard right now) to people who profess themselves "liberals" with the intent of either disrupting the regular flow of things, or to "gather ammunition" against individuals, with the intent of smearing those individuals as well as conservatives in general.

But rather than add to the paucity of reading material that you've no doubt attracted from some of the folks here, I'll leave it to them to begin your education.

There is a wide variety of folk here from various schools of thought and from varying segments of the conservative community. As you find out more, you may be interested in some of those varying sub-strata, and we'll be more than happy to provide you with direction and people to talk to there as well.

Until then, I bid you good day, and leave you in the hands of my capable bretheren (and "sisteren," too...)

458 posted on 12/10/2004 11:40:36 AM PST by mhking (Vote for Ramblings' Journal for best conservative blog @ http://2004weblogawards.com/)
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To: tiamat
I'm gonna have to stop Freeping nekkid!

Please don't. That's not HIS little red blinking light. lol

459 posted on 12/10/2004 11:40:51 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: rogerv
Very good question, and like most of the good questions, I don't have a good answer to it. My concern is that any form of power can be abused. When corporations get too powerful, one gets anticompetitive behavior.

I live half the year in China. The party leader in the town where I live has said more than once, a company first needs to make a profit. Profit in the U.S. is a dirty word as I understand the liberal persuasion.

Funny, another communist, Karl Marx, had the answer to your question. When the workers are so abused, they will rise up and overtake the ruling class. Funny thing happened in the U.S. though, we figured that out.

As to the regulation you speak of, it is way overdone in this country. It is driving companies out of the U.S. and to places like China where they are welcome. And make no mistake, they do not go there to polute or abuse workers. The foreign invested factories in China are as clean, modern and safe as any in the U.S. But, they do it without agencies like OSHA piling on a mountain of paperwork regulations.

I bet you also think corporate taxation is good. But, you have not figured out that all that tax just goes into the cost of the goods and services that you pay for. In reality, you and I pay the tax. The company just collects it for the government. Companies don't pay taxes, only people pay taxes.

460 posted on 12/10/2004 11:41:05 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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