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I'm a liberal and I'm here to learn

Posted on 12/10/2004 9:37:54 AM PST by rogerv

Hi, gang,

I was a regular contributor to the Kerry Online Forum and am now a regular contributor to the Common Ground Common Sense forum. I am a liberal, but I'll be the first to admit, I don't have all the answers. In fact, many of hte questions that matter to me probably matter to you too. I'm concerned with questions about how to tame power, whether governmental or corporate. I'm concern with the rule of law and how we can get the powerful to take it seriously. I'm concerned with the erosion of civil liberties. And yes, I am concerned about some things you may associate with liberalism--social safety nets and taking care of those who fall through the institutional cracks.

I'm here because I think agreement is overrated and that critics can be your best friends: they keep you from getting sloppy or careless. At any rate, I think there are things I can learn from you. I don't expect you are all agreed on anything--I expect there is a lot of diversity of opinion here. If you are interested in what I have said over at Common Ground Common Sense, I'm using the same handle both places, and you should feel free to come over and look around.

Anyway, I'm new here. Anybody care to give me a tour?


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To: Dr. Zzyzx

I never bought into it in the first place:)


241 posted on 12/10/2004 10:27:56 AM PST by international american (Generation Jones: "I need, I need someone to set a pick for me at the free-throw line of life)
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To: rogerv

My suggestion, especially since you're asking for a tour, which to me means you haven't read the site, is to read this site. Read it every day (it changes minute-by-minute by the way). When you feel you have something to say to something posted, hit "reply" and say your piece. After about a month or a year of reading and/or replying to others' posts, post your vanity again.

When people register and the very first day they post a vanity like this, it makes me wonder if they want to learn, which is usually accomplished by listening, or just need someone to listen to them.

Anyway, welcome to Free Republic. Hope you find what you're looking for.


242 posted on 12/10/2004 10:28:01 AM PST by Auntie Mame ("Whether you think you can or think you can't -- you are right." Henry Ford)
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To: rogerv
power and its abuses?

Is that in reference to the modern state?

243 posted on 12/10/2004 10:28:18 AM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Sam Cree

Lol!

I'm not making any sense today!
Woo-hoo!


244 posted on 12/10/2004 10:28:21 AM PST by Darksheare (Hey! This troll tastes like Arugala! I HATE arugala!)
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To: KJacob
"Which of your civil liberties have been eroded?"

I am a conservative Republican who voted for Bush (three times -- once for governor, when I lived in Texas, and twice for President) and I have an answer for that question.

Answer: I can no longer sit and talk with my family at the airport, while they're waiting to board a flight, unless I, too, have a boarding pass. When they're going to be gone for weeks or months at a time, it used to be nice to joke and laugh with them before they got on their flight.

In a post-9/11 world I no longer can do the above.

245 posted on 12/10/2004 10:28:22 AM PST by jdm (Stockhausen, Kagel, Xenakis -- world capitals or avant-garde composers?)
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To: Darksheare

Look no further than your neighbors to the North. My elected liberal leaders (not that I voted for them) were eager to pass same sex legislation but asked the supreme court for permission to pass legislation rather than passing legislation and telling the judges to abide by it. Bass ackwards by almost any measure of the democratic process.


246 posted on 12/10/2004 10:28:37 AM PST by thecanuck
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To: Fatalis

Truth is I've only been there a couple of times. But as I recall, we had some of our own problems of censorship at the Kerry Online Forum. Freedom of Speech puts burdens on us all, I think.


247 posted on 12/10/2004 10:28:46 AM PST by rogerv
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To: Darksheare

Fluke happens.


248 posted on 12/10/2004 10:29:35 AM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: jdm

Is that a civil liberty?


249 posted on 12/10/2004 10:29:37 AM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Sprite518

`` I love it! I still have much work to do though.``

Its kinda funny with us. I have always been a bit right of moderate and now my wife is frigg'n militant conservative. When we are at parties and I say something that is in anyway the least bit lib I have had it. She chews me out.


250 posted on 12/10/2004 10:30:41 AM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: longtermmemmory

Thanks for the update. I was unaware what modern liberals were all about.


251 posted on 12/10/2004 10:30:46 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: rogerv

I think you need to reconsider the fact that you are a liberal.

It is possible that you are a Democrat but not a liberal.

The first rule of liberalism is you will not listen to another opinion without yelling or name calling.

Having an open mind means you were insufficiently indoctrinated, or you have not been exposed to a balanced enough education to make up your own mind.


252 posted on 12/10/2004 10:30:48 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Free the Fallujah one)
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To: rogerv
as I recall, we had some of our own problems of censorship at the Kerry Online Forum. Freedom of Speech puts burdens on us all, I think.

Well, private forum owners strike a balance between that and Freedom of Association.

Do you mean only at the Kerry Forum a couple of times, or DU?

253 posted on 12/10/2004 10:30:51 AM PST by Fatalis
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To: rogerv

Anyway, I'm new here. Anybody care to give me a tour?

Start here: Statement by the founder of Free Republic

254 posted on 12/10/2004 10:31:29 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: thecanuck

Eeek, understood!
Stay (relatively) safe up that way.


255 posted on 12/10/2004 10:31:46 AM PST by Darksheare (Hey! This troll tastes like Arugala! I HATE arugala!)
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To: rogerv

Gee, I like to help but I need to do some CHRISTmas shopping.


256 posted on 12/10/2004 10:31:56 AM PST by griswold3
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To: Chi-townChief
"How do you recommend we go about taming corporate power while trying to remain competetive?"

Excellent point.
257 posted on 12/10/2004 10:32:07 AM PST by jdm (Stockhausen, Kagel, Xenakis -- world capitals or avant-garde composers?)
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To: rogerv

Listen to the Michael Medved show. It is on Noon to 3pm PST.

He can help.

John
http://www.kcbq.com/


258 posted on 12/10/2004 10:32:09 AM PST by jrfaug06
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To: All

Sniff sniff... I'm smelling ozone. He's on a fact-finding mission (probably a nice little hit piece).

Too polite by half.


259 posted on 12/10/2004 10:32:39 AM PST by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: tiamat

Well, we DO have Democrats on FR who do not agree with the direction their party has taken.

Odd, but somewhat understandable.


260 posted on 12/10/2004 10:32:43 AM PST by Darksheare (Hey! This troll tastes like Arugala! I HATE arugala!)
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