i guess i don't want to know what their pre employment test might be...
Posted on 10/12/2004 7:25:08 AM PDT by unlearner
I already don't buy any of their products and I don't suffer at all from their absence. There are other companies and it's amazing what you can do without or substitute.
It also doesn't translate into automatically disregarding claims about P&G's promotion of homosexuality.
P&G has been promoting homosexuality for over a decade: Just go to books like THE 100 BEST COMPANIES FOR GAY MEN AND LESBIANS, (Pocket Books, 1994), and there'll you see P&G on p. 210. Granted, P&G barely made that list, and there are hundreds of other companies that have done more to promote homosexuality.
All you need to do is do Google searches + visit the one site the AFA set up that has direct links evidencing P&G's involvement (http://www.pgboycott.com/promotion.asp) and you can see that P&G's employees are prominent gay activists in the Cincinnati area (especially two of THE most prominent activists). The Gay Financial Network has an article ("Commercial Closet: P&G Shoots for Gay Vanity") www.gfn.com/family/story.phtml?sid=8205 that talks about P&G specific marketing to the homosexual community.
Again, visit the AFA documents P&G's involvement at: http://www.pgboycott.com/promotion.asp, lest you be guilty of simply sharing "collective ignorance."
Specifically the AFA says P&G:
Is a major corporate sponsor of the annual Cincinnati Pride (homosexual) event celebrating homosexuality.
Has given $10,000 to Citizens to Restore Fairness, a political homosexual activist group. The co-leader of the campaing is a P&G corporate executive (see http://www.pgboycott.com/PGContributions.pdf)
P&G supports an employee network called GABLE (Gay and Bisexual, Lesbian Employees of Procter & Gamble).
P&G offers domestic partnership benefits.
P&G sponsors the annual "Out & Equal Workplace Advocates" workplace summits. See http://www.outandequal.org/pages/newsletter/2003-06.pdf
P&G was named by PlanetOut as a top 20 company to work for based on their pro-homosexual support and benefits. See Planet Out [AFA gives the specific web address].
In 2004, the Human Rights Campaign gave P&G a score of 86% in a Corporate Equality Index.
P&G supports the Gay and Lesbian media networks by advertising in them, and dropped its advertising from Dr. Laura's TV program.
Read my post #30. The evidence is overwhelming. My question would be, why do you denounce clear evidence of homosexual promotion by P&G?
i guess i don't want to know what their pre employment test might be...
Ford gives points for taking part in parades? I've never heard of anything like that.
Look, no matter how much you hate gays - they are people, they are Americans, they have bills to pay, they have to work to support themselves.
Give it a break.
This is a witch-hunt and I am really surprised that FR members would be participating in a boycott because a company chooses to hire a gay same as a heterosexual.
If you want to play these little games - go ahead. However, I feel we should be putting our efforts against the democrats.
"I have already done that. As I said earlier, I could find nothing on either of the sites that bore any resemblance to the information in the post. This smells of hoax to me. The AFA may well be a fine organization, but I do believe they have erred in this story. You can go to the sites, yourself. You'll find what I found: nothing resembling the accusations in this post."
You are right. The article came from an email I received. Some of the links were removed. Here is the closest thing I could find to the original:
http://www.pgboycott.com/promotion.asp
I just spoke to a longtime Ford employee who said she had never heard of earning points for participating in anything that promoted the gay agenda.
I do know that they are proponents of "diversity", and that they also advocate community service programs (helping Habitat for Humanity, Salvation Army, etc.). I'm a former employee and know many who still work there, and have never heard of Ford giving points for any type of program that would advance the gay lifestyle.
I think we should start a "Stoopid Boycott" ping list. :)
"You are right. The article came from an email I received. Some of the links were removed. Here is the closest thing I could find to the original:
http://www.pgboycott.com/promotion.asp"
These aren't your run of the mill homosexual employees. These are homosexual activists who are out to redefine marriage with the financial blessing of P&G, which is funding their activism not just w/paychecks but w/grant $. P&G has given $10,000 to Citizens to Restore Fairness, the homosexual activist group. And who is the co-chair? Gary Wright, a prominent P&G employee.
For those of you who want to make up your own minds about these connections without listening to these spinmeisters, just do your own searches: Put in names like Gary Wright, Cincinnati, Citizens to Restore Fairness, and Procter & Gamble. Also put in another prominent P&G employee whose a prominent gay activist, Heidi Bruins.
The issue isn't your smokescreen of whether P&G has the right to employ Wright and Bruins. They do. Both have a right to be employed. The issue is can P&G be held accountable for funding the homosexual activist cause, which includes redefining marriage? And the answer to that, is "yes."
We all know the inside power that homosexual activists (vs. homosexuals in general) tend to wield as change agents once they get inside any corporation, organization, fraternity, etc. How else do you explain the APA's 100% turnabout w/out ever conducting one formal study on the issue?
I've worked as a contractor at P&G for years. Every day I've been with these people and I know it is not true. My best friends wife is an employee and has never had this "training and indoctrination" as you suggest, I also have family members who are employees.
The company has for years been a target of this kind of slander. They are a big company, well respected and very much envied. This kind of stuff comes up every so often and its usually backed by their competition who can't compete with P&G for quality and price.
The add on the website proves nothing. It's an ad for a clothes de-wrinkling product. The wording on the left is not part of the ad and isn't connected to P&G.
What you are touting as proof is a big stretch. I dont think it belongs on this forum.
I thought companies held sensitivity training in part to shield themselves from class action lawsuits.
Be sure to add Coors, Johnson & Johnson, and Budweiser to the list.
I suppose that even freaks have to bathe and do laundry at some point.
I don't hate gays. But gay agendas and all other Leftist identity politics agendas have undermined traditional values. And that has caused many undesireable effects. Is this to non-PC for you? Too bad, it's the truth.
From http://www.gfn.com/family/story.phtml?sid=8205, "Commercial Closet: P&G Shoots for Gay Vanity"
The GFN is the Gay Financial Network:
"Household products company Procter & Gamble is solidly entering the gay market and the advertising giant has identified what gay consumers want--to look fabulous. With new offerings to remove wrinkles, whiten teeth and style hair, P&G is looking for some product attention and making a play for looks-oriented gay shoppers. In December 2000, the nearly year-old Physique line of hair-styling products began advertising on PlanetOut, and in the spring tooth-whitening product Crest Whitestrips will be advertised in OUT magazine. and in Canada, the company initiated its first gay-specific creative for the new Downy Wrinkle Releaser in the 20,000 circulation biweekly national publication Fab. The double-page print ad shows a bedroom scene, with clothes thrown onto the floor in apparent haste. The backghround, in fuzzy focus, vaguely shows two men in bed with exposed shoulders...There are signs of a growing awareness of the gay community at the marketing giant. Last May, P&G was the first advertiser to pull out of the now struggling Paramount Domestic Television program Dr. Laura...In June, gay marketing specialists Paul Poux--whose clients include Subaru, Kobrand Corpo for Alize liqueur and Taittinger champagne, and New York Magazine--was called to P&G's headquarters in Cincinnati to make a general presentation about the gay market to 75 executives. He was invited by openly gay associate director-leader of the Global Trends Group, Gary Wright, who also is a leader of the company's gay employee group, GABLE/P&G. Though no direct assignment to Poux came from the presentation, he followed up with Crest managers and convinced them to give away promotional materials for Crest Whitestrips at a gathering this month for the New York chapter of the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association. While a formal gay marketing plan remains to be created, an OUT ad is expected in the Spring...WITH A CRITICAL MASS OF GAY-AWARE INITIATIVES UNDERWAY AT P&G, WAS THERE A SUDDEN CORPORATE DECISION THAT 'GAY IS GOOD?' 'I'D LOVE TO SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN A MAJOR DISCUSSION IN THAT AREA,' SAYS [Crest Whitestrips brand manager Val] VOGDAN-POWERS. 'BUT IT'S NOT TO MAKE A STATEMENT...'"
I'm so sorry, but "What Every FReeper Should Boycott, Volumes 1-56878736726455, Including Subsection ZZZ3297534756", is no longer accepting submissions.
Well, let's see, P&G has formally sanctioned GABLE (Gay and Bisexual Lesbian Employees @ P&G), which means that Gable discriminates against all other forms of sexual minorities.
I don't see P in GABLE. GABLE could have been labeled PLEABAG to stand for Polygamist, Lesbian Employees who are Also Bisexual And Gay. I mean here we have open legal sexual orientation discrimination vs. polygamists and where is the welcome mat at GABLE for such folk?
What about the Bigamists? Are they excluded by the alternative sexual minority folks, too? I mean GABLE could become GABBLE to make room for the Bigamists!
How about those who say their sexual orientation is pornography? Instead of simply PLEABAG, they could go w/the acronym, PLEAPBBAG and that way, be more all-inclusive!
How about those who say they don't commit any acts with children, but simply say children are their "sexual orientation?" I mean, what if such folks claim they're "born that way" and agree to remain abstinent so as to not harm specific children?
Right. And you wouldn't want to give up Coors & Bud, now would you?
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