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To: little jeremiah

I've worked as a contractor at P&G for years. Every day I've been with these people and I know it is not true. My best friends wife is an employee and has never had this "training and indoctrination" as you suggest, I also have family members who are employees.

The company has for years been a target of this kind of slander. They are a big company, well respected and very much envied. This kind of stuff comes up every so often and its usually backed by their competition who can't compete with P&G for quality and price.

The add on the website proves nothing. It's an ad for a clothes de-wrinkling product. The wording on the left is not part of the ad and isn't connected to P&G.

What you are touting as proof is a big stretch. I dont think it belongs on this forum.


52 posted on 10/12/2004 9:03:30 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: libs_kma; MineralMan
The add on the website proves nothing. It's an ad for a clothes de-wrinkling product. The wording on the left is not part of the ad and isn't connected to P&G. What you are touting as proof is a big stretch. I dont think it belongs on this forum.

From http://www.gfn.com/family/story.phtml?sid=8205, "Commercial Closet: P&G Shoots for Gay Vanity"

The GFN is the Gay Financial Network:

"Household products company Procter & Gamble is solidly entering the gay market and the advertising giant has identified what gay consumers want--to look fabulous. With new offerings to remove wrinkles, whiten teeth and style hair, P&G is looking for some product attention and making a play for looks-oriented gay shoppers. In December 2000, the nearly year-old Physique line of hair-styling products began advertising on PlanetOut, and in the spring tooth-whitening product Crest Whitestrips will be advertised in OUT magazine. and in Canada, the company initiated its first gay-specific creative for the new Downy Wrinkle Releaser in the 20,000 circulation biweekly national publication Fab. The double-page print ad shows a bedroom scene, with clothes thrown onto the floor in apparent haste. The backghround, in fuzzy focus, vaguely shows two men in bed with exposed shoulders...There are signs of a growing awareness of the gay community at the marketing giant. Last May, P&G was the first advertiser to pull out of the now struggling Paramount Domestic Television program Dr. Laura...In June, gay marketing specialists Paul Poux--whose clients include Subaru, Kobrand Corpo for Alize liqueur and Taittinger champagne, and New York Magazine--was called to P&G's headquarters in Cincinnati to make a general presentation about the gay market to 75 executives. He was invited by openly gay associate director-leader of the Global Trends Group, Gary Wright, who also is a leader of the company's gay employee group, GABLE/P&G. Though no direct assignment to Poux came from the presentation, he followed up with Crest managers and convinced them to give away promotional materials for Crest Whitestrips at a gathering this month for the New York chapter of the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association. While a formal gay marketing plan remains to be created, an OUT ad is expected in the Spring...WITH A CRITICAL MASS OF GAY-AWARE INITIATIVES UNDERWAY AT P&G, WAS THERE A SUDDEN CORPORATE DECISION THAT 'GAY IS GOOD?' 'I'D LOVE TO SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN A MAJOR DISCUSSION IN THAT AREA,' SAYS [Crest Whitestrips brand manager Val] VOGDAN-POWERS. 'BUT IT'S NOT TO MAKE A STATEMENT...'"

57 posted on 10/12/2004 9:16:34 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: libs_kma
My best friends wife is an employee and has never had this "training and indoctrination" as you suggest, I also have family members who are employees. The company has for years been a target of this kind of slander. They are a big company, well respected and very much envied. This kind of stuff comes up every so often and its usually backed by their competition who can't compete with P&G for quality and price. The add on the website proves nothing. It's an ad for a clothes de-wrinkling product. The wording on the left is not part of the ad and isn't connected to P&G. What you are touting as proof is a big stretch. I dont think it belongs on this forum.

To avoid a big broad brush and to be fair to P&G, I heard that because it was such a big TV ad spender that P&G has been a catalyst in the past to try and address Hollywood's programming folks to improve the quality of TV programming. Frankly, P&G, paying the bills for such programming, was tired of being linked w/such on-air mush. It wanted more family-friendly fare.

Still, there's no getting around it. Key P&G employees are local Cincy homosexual activists, including Gary Wright. P&G wrote a check of $10,000 to Wright's group to try to overturn an upcoming local vote that addresses "sexual orientation."

Wright's group and P&G wants "sexual orientation" to be a late adjunct to the Civil Rights Act. In other words, they want to write into statutes and ordinances that overt sexual behavior is tantamount to race and is therefore to be afforded the same "discrimination" protection that minorities by race have. When you call P&G, they don't deny giving this $. They simply say it's part of their diversity promotion campaign.

And, if you talk to any folks at any of the Cincy homosexual rights activist groups where P&G employees serve as board of directors or co-leaders or other leadership roles, they'll tell you that they're in favor of redefining marriage as well and that gays & lesbians (& who knows how many other alternative sexual orientation folks) should be able to marry.

If every relationship is a potential marriage, then nothing is marriage.

71 posted on 10/12/2004 10:07:10 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: libs_kma

First you said you have no connection to P&G, then you say you're a contractor for them and you're with them every day, and that your wife's best friend works for them. So every link and every fact presented above are all lies, invented out of thin air?

And we're supposed to believe you rather than AFA?

All because some anonymous guy on the internet says it's not true?


82 posted on 10/12/2004 11:28:59 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Marriage is the bedrock of human civilization. Destroy marriage, destroy human civilization.)
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