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1 posted on 09/16/2004 7:07:12 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

I should have known you'd post this. From a crappy link too. Didn't you know that radio and television hosts can say ANYTHING these days without fear of having to have actual proof?

Naturally you wouldn't post an article about the soldier who lost an arm in Iraq and has re-enlisted for duty there.


2 posted on 09/16/2004 7:09:34 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: churchillbuff

dan rather sent them documents?


3 posted on 09/16/2004 7:09:35 PM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 ("It Takes A Zippo To Raze A Village: The John Kerry Story")
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Sounds like bull to me. All of our soldiers MAY go to Iraq.


4 posted on 09/16/2004 7:11:02 PM PDT by dalebert
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on condition of anonymity

Translation: on condition its all made up.

6 posted on 09/16/2004 7:12:28 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Cream rises to the top, but in a secular culture, so does the slime.)
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""For me, it wasn't about going back to Iraq. It's just the fact that I'm ready to get out of the Army," he said."

He took the gamble.

9 posted on 09/16/2004 7:14:11 PM PDT by elfman2
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I know someone who just got out of that unit and the Army. Since he had been getting promotions on a fairly quick schedule, I don't think it's because the Army didn't want him, but he was ready to get out and his time was up.


13 posted on 09/16/2004 7:18:35 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: churchillbuff

I don't believe it. Period.


14 posted on 09/16/2004 7:19:16 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (<font type=1972 IBM>I <change typeballs>am<change typeballs> Buckhead)
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This looks like an even less convincing rehash of a story
from back in May:

Report: Reservists Pressured by Scare Tactics to Re-Enlist
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/23/150555.shtml

In the wake of CBS being exposed as an unregistered 527
for the DNC, legacy media needs to do a lot more than say:
"... two soldiers who spoke on condition of anonymity told
the newspaper."


29 posted on 09/16/2004 7:27:13 PM PDT by Boundless
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Soldiers Risking Their Lives in Iraq Might Face Prison Over Child Support Upon Return

April 9, 2003


by Stephen Baskerville, Ph.D.

As America's servicemen risk their lives to protect their families and ours, the federal government is preparing to put them in jail.

That's right; you heard correctly. Most societies honor their returning heroes. In America we punish them.

Soldiers who ship off to Iraq risk not only their lives but arrest and jail when they return. Those who accept a pay cut to defend their country can be incarcerated when they are unable to pay the impossible child support burdens imposed on them by the federal government's divorce machinery.

It is mind-boggling that servicemen who risk their lives to protect us will face arrest as they step off the plane. Yet this is precisely what happened after Desert Storm, and it will happen again this time.

The federal government has issued the usual PR smokescreen, urging soldiers to contact their local child support agents to request a modification. But such requests are almost never granted. Child support fills government coffers with federal taxpayers' money. Governments have no incentive to give these soldiers a break and plenty of incentive not to.

The Christian Science Monitor reports that a soldier whose domestic job pays $31,000 must pay $900 a month in child support. His reserve pay will reduce his income to $27,000. The Monitor neglects to point out that even at the higher pay, this is about half the man's take-home pay, and that he is likely to be living on less than $1,000 a month. Another father's child support comprises 73% of his income, leaving him $200 a month to live on.

Do we really believe that these heroes are "deadbeat dads" who went to Iraq to avoid paying child support? If not, perhaps it is time we began to examine whether the entire child support system is anything other than a fraud. If these men are not "deadbeats," then who is? If these arrests are an abuse of government power, why are not all the others?

Attempts to protect our civilization from external threats will be pointless if we allow it to be undermined from within. How long do we expect men to sacrifice their lives and livelihoods for their country when their government steals their children and uses those children to extort huge sums of money from their fathers?

What kind of morale can we expect in our armed forces when the same brave men who risk their lives to protect their families from invasion by terrorists are powerless to protect their families from invasion by their own government.

Stephen Baskerville


This article is a transcript of Dr. Baskerville's radio commentary recorded for the Free Congress Foundation, available for listening and downloading at http://www.fcfnewsondemand.org/.


http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-b/baskerville/03/baskerville040903.htm
[and many other news sites around the Web. See Dr. Baskerville's work in Human Events and many other trusted conservative publications.]




30 posted on 09/16/2004 7:27:34 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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Kathy, I hate to bring you down after such a pleasant exchange earlier, but I really don't like to see such animal droppings like this stand unchallenged.

Can you ping some real servicepeople who can refute this Kerry-esque crap?

Thanks
31 posted on 09/16/2004 7:28:02 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (<font type=1972 IBM>I <change typeballs>am<change typeballs> Buckhead)
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To: Petronski; churchillbuff; All

Everyone tired of Neville's BS, say "Aye."


42 posted on 09/16/2004 7:35:36 PM PDT by dighton
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You know, right after 911, I and many like me spent months trying to get our commissions back and deploy. I had personal recommendations from one Congresscritter, a General Officer and two full Colonels AND the Governor of Florida. I fought for months thru paperwork and medicals until that was the thing that stopped me. Slightly overweight with a horrific case of sleep apnea. I'd still go tomorrow if they'd let me. I wouldn't even have to be a "trigger puller." I'd take a staff puke position in place of a trigger puller.

The folks who served in combat and survived have a right to get out at the end of their enlistment; unless there is a "stop loss" in effect. But to have them threatened and coerced into reupping is very B-A-D juju as Tarzan used to say. It will come back and bite the army in the A$$. There are a LOT of very experienced folks who are just aching to go, if they'll just issue a few waivers.

45 posted on 09/16/2004 7:36:17 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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BYE BYE little minded troll.......


52 posted on 09/16/2004 7:39:32 PM PDT by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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"My friends and my Marines are still there, still fighting," he said softly. "Any Marine in their right mind would want to be right there with them. All I've really lost is about 10 degrees of peripheral vision, and I'll be OK without that. I'm ready to be with my Marines again."

Gunnery Sgt. Nick Popaditch


60 posted on 09/16/2004 7:42:43 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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Why don't you just go over to LP and post your garbage there? Nobody here ever agree with you or likes what you post.Doesn't THAT tell you something?


65 posted on 09/16/2004 7:45:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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Wahhhh! Whhhhaaa! I think some want the pay, but don't want the responsibility, paticularly in this ONE UNIT. This is nuts as they are off to Iraq or Afghanistan, either way. Because:"Soldiers from a combat unit at Fort Carson say they have been told to re-enlist for three more years or be transferred to other units expected to deploy to Iraq, the Rocky Mountain News reported Thursday."
69 posted on 09/16/2004 7:47:26 PM PDT by Henchman (Vote Communist - elect Kerry!)
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Churchillbuff...this just came in from the DNC.

The Democrats are still working feverishly on an exit strategy for Germany, Japan and North Korea. The DNC's "capable staff" under McAwful are working day and night to bring home troops stranded in these countries for decades. It was under Democratic leadership, that the US sent troops to these countries in order to spread freedom and liberty and fight against facists and communists. Unfortunately, the Democratic Party has not seen fit to date to come up with an exit strategy even though it has been more than 60 years since the beginning of WWII.

But the DNC is running a foul of Kerry, who does not want to act unilaterally.
71 posted on 09/16/2004 7:48:13 PM PDT by Chgogal (Pssst. I have it on the best authority that Allah has run out of virgins. Spread the word.)
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It's called "stop-loss." We don't have the guts to give all of our able bodied young men three months of combat MOS initial training. Fathers have no rights in this country. Women who serve in service and supply units are awarded and lauded over combat soldiers who die for them.

We're on the brink of paying for that.



Secretary of defense sidesteps politics


The Leaf-Chronicle


Photo
Greg Williamson/The Leaf-Chronicle

Maj. Gen. Thomas R. Turner, left, commander of the 101st Airborne Division listens as Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld addresses questions at the Fort Campbell Pratt Museum. Rumsfeld was on post Tuesday to visit troops.



Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld Tuesday defended U.S. actions in Iraq and acknowledged the sacrifices made by the military and their families.

"The folks that we're up against are extremists and they're determined to try and take back that country ,and the Iraqi people, I don't believe, are going to let them do it," he said.

"You cannot be involved as I am and not see the heartbreak of lives that aren't going to be lived and the lives that are going to be lived differently because of the loss of limbs and eyesight," Rumsfeld said. "The thing that is just amazing and wonderful is the personal courage, the spirit, the determination on the part of the wounded to get back to their unit. The pride of the families -- It doesn't leave your mind very often.

"We're a fortunate country that we've got, once again, a generation of people who understand there are things that are worth fighting for. The task of defending and protecting the American people has to fall to someone and that they're willing to raise their hand and say, 'Send me.' God bless them."

Speaking at a press conference at Fort Campbell's Don F. Pratt Museum, Rumsfeld also defended the Pentagon's "stop-loss" policy, the program that retains service members with in-demand jobs likes transportation, aviation, medical and special operations in the active military longer than expected.

"The Army has had stop-loss for decades," he said. "Everyone in the military is a volunteer and when they enter, they know about the stop-loss policy that exists. It's rooted in reality. Rather than stripping the unit's integrity, they have a stop-loss that keeps them in the unit until the unit is no longer deployed. It's not a surprise. It is not a back-door draft."

He also said the U.S. is committed to making sure other countries, like North Korea and Iran, comply with international law when it comes to nuclear weapons. While he did not rule out the use of military might, he said it's an option of last resort.

"Clearly, the use of force is everyone's last choice," Rumsfeld said, adding that Russia, South Korea, Japan, China and the United States need to continue talks with Iran and North Korea -- two of three countries President Bush has labeled as the "Axis of Evil."

Iraq was the third country.

But if that military muscle is required, he said soldiers will have the equipment they need to fight.

The 101st Airborne Division is expected to finish its transformation to four-brigade combat teams by March of next year and should be ready for deployment to Iraq, Afghanistan or some other global hot spot by then.

"They're going to have the equipment they need," Rumsfeld said, adding that Congress and President Bush are fully committed to funding the military.

"Now what happens sometimes is that something new comes along in the middle of a conflict that's developmental and is in short supply because it didn't exist," he said, citing the armed predator (unmanned reconnaissance plane) and steel-reinforced Humvees as examples.

"But this outfit will find that they will be well-equipped, very well-equipped," he said of the 101st.

Chantal Escoto covers military affairs. You may contact her by calling 245-0216 or e-mail at chantalescoto@theleafchronicle.com.
http://www.theleafchronicle.com/news/stories/20040915/localnews/1236175.html

74 posted on 09/16/2004 7:49:31 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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I have inside sources at Ft. Carson and many other places, I'll call and ask about this. I all ready know the answer though.......TOTAL Bull $hit....


83 posted on 09/16/2004 7:53:24 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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TokyoRoseBuff...


90 posted on 09/16/2004 8:00:49 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat ( "History? I love history! So sequential...")
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