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Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan
WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper

Conservative talk-radio star, author says amnesty is betrayal of country

In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage, one of talk radio's biggest stars, tonight called for the impeachment of President Bush over his plans to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

"This is the worst betrayal of our country in my lifetime," said Savage, whose program is heard on more than 350 stations with an audience reaching some 6 million. His book, "The Savage Nation," last year was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller's list for five weeks. His follow-up, "The Enemy Within," out just one week, is already No. 8 on the list. Both were published by WND Books.

President Bush

Tonight Savage called Bush a liberal and described him as part of the "enemy within" that is destroying the nation.

Savage created the phrase "compassionate conservative" in 1994, a term picked up by Bush during his presidential campaign – a campaign supported by Savage.

"This is much more serious than dropping your pants for an intern," said Savage. "This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

Savage is hardly alone in his strong feelings of opposition to Bush's proposal to offer legal status to illegal immigrants. A new ABC News poll finds 52 percent of the nation opposes an amnesty program for illegal immigrants from Mexico, while 57 percent oppose one for illegal immigrants from other countries. Both results are roughly the same as when the administration floated the idea two-and-a-half years ago.

But today in Monterrey, Mexico, Bush reaffirmed his support of the proposal, despite its unpopularity at home. He said it could help illegal immigrants "leave the shadows and have an identity."

At a joint press conference with Mexican President Vicente Fox, Bush warned that his government will not allow the existence in the United States of an underclass of illegal immigrants, but claimed again his proposal is not an amnesty. Amnesty, he said, would only promote the violation of the law and perpetuate illegal immigration.

Bush said his immigration proposal would benefit both the United States and Mexico as it recognizes the contribution of thousands of honest Mexicans who work in the United States.

For his part, Fox embraced Bush's proposal.

"What else can we wish?" Fox said at the news conference with the president.

In the U.S., the latest poll on the controversy shows at least twice as many Americans "strongly" oppose the proposal as strongly support it.

Opposition peaks in Bush's own party: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans oppose his immigration proposal for Mexicans, compared with 50 percent of Democrats. For illegal immigrants other than Mexicans, 63 percent of Republicans are opposed.

Bush reportedly will disclose more details of the plan in his State of the Union address Jan. 20.

Meanwhile, the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States," the Washington Times reported today.

The agents were told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn't serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.

"Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb' to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don't be confused and call this an 'amnesty,' even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here. The president assures us that it's not an amnesty," he said.

Last week Bush proposed the sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card. The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.

Savage cited a new report published in the City Journal by the Manhattan Institute suggesting there is a major crime wave in the U.S. caused by illegal immigration.

"Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens," the report charges. "Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gang-banger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law."

The situation is similar, the report says in New York, Chicago, San Diego, Austin and Houston. These "sanctuary policies" generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities, says the report.

"These people are destroying America," said Savage. "That's all I have to say on the subject. But you can talk about it. Talk about it while you can – while America is still a free country, because it's not going to last."


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To: exmarine
"...I showed you where Bush was wrong in almost EVERY key moral area - and you agreed..."

I did indeed agree that he was wrong in SOME areas, but have repeatedly, repeatedly that is, said that on balance he was a good president, and in fact mentioned that God was working through him, in one post. But ceding the point that I disagree with GW on some issues (this one included), I still like him enough to vote for him again, for many other reasons. Nobody is perfect, and his plusses by far outweigh his minuses.
681 posted on 01/13/2004 2:04:31 PM PST by jim35
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To: AbsoluteJustice
I'm a firm believer that Bush is a tactician because of what he's done for Texas. I hope he only made this speech to excite the public in to conversation. Before this was brought up, it wasn't even a major issue for 2004, no matter how much conservatives wanted it to be. IMO, this trial balloon could be fake. Half of what he's discussed in public was never serious discussion but rather a way to keep the spotlight on him rather than the leftist hate club. I also hope the ridiculous laws he's paased will be repealed because of "a failed idea". wink, wink I find it very hard to believe that so many Republicans would actually vote for liberal issues like they have unless the President made them aware of a "secret political plan" (60 Republican Senators)
682 posted on 01/13/2004 2:05:11 PM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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To: jim35
No, I mean the conclusion about how withholding your vote for a Republican, and trashing the supreme court, won't lead to a democRAT president who can ignore the constitution.

Oh, is telling the truth tantamount to "trashing"? Again, stop mischaracterizing my statements. Prove something I said wrong either logically or factually.

Your argument is fallacious as I have already pointed out. If a Dem is elected it will be precisely because over 40% of Americans vote for him! How can I be responsible if I don't vote for a Dem? I can't! Fallacy alert! So, you can blame our immoral citizenry, not me - I will vote for the BEST candidate. Blame the people who do the deed not the people who are the MOST principled.

Another error you make is your assumption that the GOP doesn't ignore the Constitution. What do you think this amnesty program does? Look, the Republicans ignore the Constitution as much as Democrats. There is little difference anymore.

683 posted on 01/13/2004 2:06:04 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Howlin; riri
So you're voting for Dean et al.?(Howlin)

Riri said earlier in this thread he's leaving the country.

684 posted on 01/13/2004 2:06:08 PM PST by Dane
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To: Stu Cohen
I actually think this amnesty program is more harmful to American Citizens than a blowjub under the desk.

Agreed.

685 posted on 01/13/2004 2:06:51 PM PST by Marine Inspector (TANCREDO 2004)
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To: exmarine
Would you like to join my list for those of us either declaring a new party in March and/or writing-in Tancredo?
Also the illegal immigration list is hopping ;)

This is a very busy ping issue, if you would like on/off just gimme a holler!
686 posted on 01/13/2004 2:08:47 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: jim35
and in fact mentioned that God was working through him

May he his,maybe he isn't. Let's remember, God also worked through the Assyrian Empire, through Nebachudnezzar, and through Titus and the 10th roman legion.

687 posted on 01/13/2004 2:09:53 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: m1-lightning
Best to ask a Texan, I just know I admire him
688 posted on 01/13/2004 2:09:59 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: exmarine
Yes, YOU ARE LYING because everything you cite is your opinion which God knows where you pulled that from. Prove that you are not lying by citing 7 instances of the phrase "Declaration of Independence" in the US Code, liar. That means Title, Chapter, etc.
689 posted on 01/13/2004 2:10:32 PM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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To: m1-lightning
I do not watch Chris, My two guys are Joe and Dobbs dats it ;)
690 posted on 01/13/2004 2:11:04 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: baltoga
Have you seen the stats for illegals on welfare?!
691 posted on 01/13/2004 2:12:15 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: Happy2BMe
"As I've said, I challenge anyone to find a single mention of my not voting for Bush in November.
I'd rather it be Reagan though.
Bush is a wishy-washy polititian. He certainly meets the criteria of a successful one, I'll give him that.
But he's the best we can come up with.

Now, who is being wishy-washy ? Even when asked directly if you plan to vote for President Bush you equivocate.

BTW, did your admiration for President Reagan crawfish in 1986 when he legalized 2.7 million immigrants ?

692 posted on 01/13/2004 2:12:38 PM PST by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Beelzebubba
"90% of the housing framer carpenters, sheet rock hangers, landscapers,...are all illegal immigrants that are stealing jobs away from our own underclass, and thus pushing our own poor workers into deeper poverty."

... and allowing our own welfare addicts to slouch at home on the couch, zoned out on Ophra and Jerry Springer, while waiting for their goobermit check to show up.

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"And in a generation, many of these foreign laborers who are ambitious will be running construction and landscaping companies ... and become prosperous"

And you can bet your life that these same Illegal Aliens, once legalized, will immediately qualify for all the Affirmative Action programs, plans, Student loans, Small Biz loans, ad infinitum.

693 posted on 01/13/2004 2:13:01 PM PST by CIBvet (It's about preserving OUR Borders, OUR Language and OUR American Culture)
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To: T.Smith
which is to say that I will vote either independent or Libertarian.

Psst, T. the Libertarians are for no borders. They think looking and capturing islamofascists is fascism.

694 posted on 01/13/2004 2:14:00 PM PST by Dane
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To: JustPiper
Please add me to your ping lists.

Thanks
695 posted on 01/13/2004 2:14:12 PM PST by Marine Inspector (TANCREDO 2004)
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To: exmarine
"...Oh, is telling the truth tantamount to "trashing"? Again, stop mischaracterizing my statements. Prove something I said wrong either logically or factually..."

Just like I thought, you are avoiding the question, and changing the subject. I will reiterate: If you ignore the supreme court, when it interprets the constitution, because they allow abortion, you have "trashed" them. You have put them in the trash. Thrown them away. Disposed of them. Remember your own posts? Then, if you withhold your vote for GW, you throw the election to the democRATs. So; what conclusion does this lead to? I leads to a democRAT president, with a supreme court that has been disposed of. Get it? Now, show me where I'm wrong.

696 posted on 01/13/2004 2:14:15 PM PST by jim35
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To: exmarine; Modernman; m1-lightning
The full text of the Declaration is right there in the U.S. Code.

Kindly show Title and Section.

It's in the US Code.

Kindly show Title and Section.

Why?

You haven't actually demonstrated that it's in the code as organic law, as you claim.

Why is it there?

You haven't actually demonstrated that it's in the code as organic law, as you claim.

Could it be that it is important to our laws in some way?

If it is actually there, as organic law, according to your claim, your argument might have merit. You have not demonstrated this.

"If A, then B" only applies if you've actually demonstrated A.

Duh. You tell me. You stand refuted.

Actually, I don't. You stand unproven.

I don't think I need to go any further.

I provided the exact location in a url.

U.S. Code citations are not URL-based. Try again.

Want me to cut and paste the text of the Declaration right from the website and post it here?

No. I want you to provide the exact United States Code citation that, as you claim, makes the Declaration of Independence organic law.

After that, you might be able to argue that your claims about the significance of the Declaration of Independence actually have some basis.

697 posted on 01/13/2004 2:16:17 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Dane
I'm aware of the Libertarian platform.

698 posted on 01/13/2004 2:17:13 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: kevao
Ah, you watch Joan of Arcadia? ;)
699 posted on 01/13/2004 2:17:42 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
If we take thos ABLE BODIED AMERICANS off welfare and make the work for their money and use that money (in the billions) to supplement into placing the National guard on the border to back up INS, as well as use this money to deport illegals and back end former welfare recipients with these jobs we may reach an end to illegal immigration.

Haha. I don't want one government handout shifted to another (unnecessary national guard additions). I'd rather just let the people who just want to work (which helps our economy) come here. Work/people = capital.

700 posted on 01/13/2004 2:18:15 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Most of the FReepers opposed to illegal immigration are opposed to immigration/immigrants entirely.)
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