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Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan
WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper

Conservative talk-radio star, author says amnesty is betrayal of country

In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage, one of talk radio's biggest stars, tonight called for the impeachment of President Bush over his plans to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

"This is the worst betrayal of our country in my lifetime," said Savage, whose program is heard on more than 350 stations with an audience reaching some 6 million. His book, "The Savage Nation," last year was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller's list for five weeks. His follow-up, "The Enemy Within," out just one week, is already No. 8 on the list. Both were published by WND Books.

President Bush

Tonight Savage called Bush a liberal and described him as part of the "enemy within" that is destroying the nation.

Savage created the phrase "compassionate conservative" in 1994, a term picked up by Bush during his presidential campaign – a campaign supported by Savage.

"This is much more serious than dropping your pants for an intern," said Savage. "This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

Savage is hardly alone in his strong feelings of opposition to Bush's proposal to offer legal status to illegal immigrants. A new ABC News poll finds 52 percent of the nation opposes an amnesty program for illegal immigrants from Mexico, while 57 percent oppose one for illegal immigrants from other countries. Both results are roughly the same as when the administration floated the idea two-and-a-half years ago.

But today in Monterrey, Mexico, Bush reaffirmed his support of the proposal, despite its unpopularity at home. He said it could help illegal immigrants "leave the shadows and have an identity."

At a joint press conference with Mexican President Vicente Fox, Bush warned that his government will not allow the existence in the United States of an underclass of illegal immigrants, but claimed again his proposal is not an amnesty. Amnesty, he said, would only promote the violation of the law and perpetuate illegal immigration.

Bush said his immigration proposal would benefit both the United States and Mexico as it recognizes the contribution of thousands of honest Mexicans who work in the United States.

For his part, Fox embraced Bush's proposal.

"What else can we wish?" Fox said at the news conference with the president.

In the U.S., the latest poll on the controversy shows at least twice as many Americans "strongly" oppose the proposal as strongly support it.

Opposition peaks in Bush's own party: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans oppose his immigration proposal for Mexicans, compared with 50 percent of Democrats. For illegal immigrants other than Mexicans, 63 percent of Republicans are opposed.

Bush reportedly will disclose more details of the plan in his State of the Union address Jan. 20.

Meanwhile, the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States," the Washington Times reported today.

The agents were told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn't serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.

"Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb' to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don't be confused and call this an 'amnesty,' even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here. The president assures us that it's not an amnesty," he said.

Last week Bush proposed the sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card. The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.

Savage cited a new report published in the City Journal by the Manhattan Institute suggesting there is a major crime wave in the U.S. caused by illegal immigration.

"Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens," the report charges. "Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gang-banger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law."

The situation is similar, the report says in New York, Chicago, San Diego, Austin and Houston. These "sanctuary policies" generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities, says the report.

"These people are destroying America," said Savage. "That's all I have to say on the subject. But you can talk about it. Talk about it while you can – while America is still a free country, because it's not going to last."


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To: jim35
Simply show me where my conclusions are wrong, and how your conclusions lead to another outcome. If that's possible.

I've already done that...in spades. I showed you where Bush was wrong in almost EVERY key moral area - and you agreed. I pointed out that moral laws apply in all of life, I pointed out that the lesser of 2 evils is a fallacious and false argument, etc. etc... All you could do was agree that Bush is liberal in many ways. Review the thread.

661 posted on 01/13/2004 1:45:18 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: exmarine
Do you think Bush can withstand such attacks from his own base?

Sorry you 1%ers aren't the base.

662 posted on 01/13/2004 1:45:42 PM PST by Dane
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To: JustPiper
Personally I like the idea of citizenship through working! As a matter of fact if I had my way I'd deport the Welfare deadbeats who refuse to work!
663 posted on 01/13/2004 1:45:59 PM PST by baltoga
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To: Modernman
You said democracy and republic - no appreciable difference, yet you haven't given one example of a democracy where there is no appreciable difference to our republic. The roman republic did not resemble ours. Our republic was founded on judeo-christian principles and was placed UNDER GOD. Rome was pagan and did not recognize any rights for people that rome itself did not ascribe. Huge differences! You named one single similarity and then tried to say they were closely similar. Not.
664 posted on 01/13/2004 1:47:29 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: JustPiper
To prevent being suckered by liberal spin in libertarian clothing, you should void MSNBC when possible with the exception of Scarborough and Mathews. Just my opinion from watching it for years.
665 posted on 01/13/2004 1:47:30 PM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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To: m1-lightning
"I'm curious, where are you getting that Bush wants to give welfare to illegal immigrants? I think this is being blown out of proportion by the hate Bush crowd and misunderstood by many conservatives."

I never made this statement. I said that
1)Current LEGALS that are on welfare at a rate of 35%
2)ILLEGALS and the MAJORITY OF LEGALS PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES and carry no health insurance. So therefore Me and you Mr. John Q Taxpayer pay for these services and HOUSANDS of others.

This in so many words no matter how you wish to shake it and dice it is welfare.
666 posted on 01/13/2004 1:47:30 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
HEY I made post 666....

An omen?
667 posted on 01/13/2004 1:48:22 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
So you will be voting for Bush?
668 posted on 01/13/2004 1:49:39 PM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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To: Fishrrman
That is what America is about people...OUR rights...OUR choice...not being a loyalist when our party is the one letting US down!

Wonder how people feel about lies:

"I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship. Granting amnesty encourages violation of our laws and perpetuates illegal immigration." -President George W. Bush

"This plan is not amnesty," the president said of his plan to match workers with jobs. "I oppose amnesty because it encourages violation of our laws." -President Bush 1/12/04

If anyone is in Texas...Congressman Ron Paul has a rocking party!


669 posted on 01/13/2004 1:50:44 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: JustPiper
Didn't Ron Paul vote against taking out Saddam Hussein?
670 posted on 01/13/2004 1:52:18 PM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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To: exmarine
Our world on the net is small compared to John Q. Public but guess what John Q. Public is now aware of the illegal proposition and he is mad, by the thousands.
671 posted on 01/13/2004 1:53:19 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: exmarine
You said democracy and republic - no appreciable difference

I said there was no real difference between the definitions of a democracy and a republic. I did not say (nor do I believe) that there are no real differences between various republics/democracies. Every one is different, but they all have common traits.

672 posted on 01/13/2004 1:53:30 PM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: m1-lightning
I am truely mixed. I was ALL FOR BUSH until he touched my hot spot....which happens to be immigration. I understand that he is not the law maker he reccommends but I am afraid of the statements he made to open this debate. I am for Tarcendo's bill. I will make my decision from here forward and watch him. Leading up to the NOV. elections if he doesn't dissappoint me on this issue then yes I will. Another stunt with him cozying up with turd worlder Vicente Fox then no I will not.
673 posted on 01/13/2004 1:54:53 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: m1-lightning
Oh, am I lying? I just read it there. The founding fathers who VERY CLEARLY AND IRREFUTABLY connected the dots between the Decl. of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. The Declaration was the Why, The Constitution is the How. Our founders were Christians - 6 men signed both the Declaration and Constitution, and all signers of both agreed with the principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence. They said rights come from GOD - you hate that don't you! This document must be erased so that secularists like you and Poobah don't have to look at it! Well, it was the authority under which we went to war! Can't change that, and you can't change the fact that the founding fathers believed every word of it! I don't care what you modern-day relativists, secularists, statists, victocrats, marxists and atheists say. History tells the story quite well, and as much as you try, you can't change history.
674 posted on 01/13/2004 1:57:09 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: exmarine
No, I mean the conclusion about how withholding your vote for a Republican, and trashing the supreme court, won't lead to a democRAT president who can ignore the constitution.
675 posted on 01/13/2004 1:59:21 PM PST by jim35
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To: JustPiper
Yes, perhaps real conservatives will wake up to the betrayal in their midst. On this thread alone, I counted several people who will not now vote for Bush. There will be millions across America - no doubt.
676 posted on 01/13/2004 1:59:37 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freeperfromnj
Is to Bush As:

Was to Bubba

677 posted on 01/13/2004 2:00:11 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: MissAmericanPie
MAP this needs to go on your homepage-Excellent!

As a conservative first, I am sure I am not alone in having lost sight of what it is suppose to be about the Republican Party that makes them fit to represent me. I have completely lost sight of the reasons.


678 posted on 01/13/2004 2:02:00 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: Finalapproach29er; B4Ranch
Ranch is Da Man ;)
679 posted on 01/13/2004 2:02:59 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: exmarine
I don't vote for liberals.

I have a suspicion that you don't vote at all.

680 posted on 01/13/2004 2:03:08 PM PST by Dane
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