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Poetry and Potpourri .... October 6-7, 2003
October 6, 2003 | JustAmy, St.Louie1 and Mama_Bear

Posted on 10/05/2003 10:10:27 PM PDT by JustAmy

Edited on 11/11/2003 7:54:41 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]



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The Poetry Branch has been in limbo since the prior hostess left FreeRepublic April 15th 2003. We've since learned that said hostess has lost her posting privilege. That being the case, and Jim Robinson having given his ok, I wanted to renew the thread.

FreeRepublic is blessed with many fine poets, and we look forward to seeing their poems posted on FR once again. There were many non-poet FReepers who visited the Poetry Branch for the camaraderie; we hope they will return.

I would like to invite everyone to visit and relax at Poetry and Potpourri. Hopefully you will renew old acquaintances for chatting, sharing jokes, telling stories, posting cartoons, etc. Everyone needs a place to escape from the everyday news, make Poetry and Potpourri that place.
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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Humor; Miscellaneous; Poetry
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To: MistyCA
Thanks Misty. I'm watching TV, trying to find the results of today's election.

How are you?

121 posted on 10/07/2003 7:42:49 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Arnold has the conviction and the fighting spirit to lead California into a new age of recovery)
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To: JustAmy
Hi Amy, I'm still here. ;-)
122 posted on 10/07/2003 7:43:30 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Arnold has the conviction and the fighting spirit to lead California into a new age of recovery)
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To: Victoria Delsoul; MistyCA
Hi Victoria .... the polls will close in about 15 minutes. We probably won't know anything until about midnight. I'm hoping for a resounding defeat for Davis so there is no doubt. If so, we may get some projections by 10:30 or 11:00.

Keep California on your good wishes list!!
123 posted on 10/07/2003 7:47:22 PM PDT by JustAmy (Praying for 7 yr old Jacquelyn and her family.)
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To: lonestar; FreeTheHostages; jwfiv; Billie; Pippin; Libertina; JohnHuang2; Aquamarine; ST.LOUIE1; ...
Inspired from todays Finest Post!

Growing up in the Pizza Triangle!

I was well in college before I realized that I was an American. Of course I had been born in America, and lived here all of my life, but it somehow never occurred to me that just being a citizen of the United States meant that I was an American. Americans were people who ate peanut butter and jelly on mushy white bread that came out of plastic packages. ME? I WAS ITALIAN.

To me, as I am sure for most second-generation Italian/Americans children who had grown up in an Italian neighborhood there was a definite distinction between US and THEM. We were Italians. Everybody else, the Irish, English, German, Polish, Jewish, they were "MEDI-GAN". There was no animosity involved in that distinction, no prejudice, no hard feelings. It was just well - we were sure ours was the better way. For instance, we had a bread man, a milkman, a cheese man, a fruit and vegetable man, a meat man and fish man. They were the many peddlers who plied their trades in the Italian Neighborhoods. We would wait for their call, their yell, their individual distinctive sound. We knew them by their names, and they knew us. Americans went to the store for most of their foods. What a waist. Truly, I pitied their loss. They never knew the pleasure of waking up every morning to find a hot, crisp loaf of Italian bread waiting behind the screen door. And instead of being able to climb up on back of the peddler's wagon or truck a couple times a week, just to hitch a ride, most of my "MEDI-GAN" friends had to be satisfied going to the A&P or Shop Rite.

Alas, when it came to food, it always amazed me that my American friends and classmates only ate turkey on Thanksgiving or Christmas. Or rather they only ate turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes and cranberry sauce. Now we ITALIANS, we also had turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes and cranberry sauce, but only after we had finished the Antipasto, Chicken Soup with Escarole, Cheese Squares and Little Meatballs, Lasagna, Meatballs, Braciola, Salad and whatever else mama thought might be appropriate for that particular holiday. Also, our turkey was usually accompanied by a roast of some kind, just in case someone walked in who didn't like turkey, and was followed by an assortment of fruits, nuts, pastries, and of course, homemade cakes. None of that store bought stuff for us. This is where you learned to eat a seven-course meal between noon and 4 P.M., how to handle hot chestnuts and put tangerine wedges in red wine. Sunday was truly the big day of the week! That was the day you would wake up to the smell of garlic and onions frying in olive oil, as it dropped into the pan. Sunday we always had Gravy and Macaroni. (The MEDI-GAN call it sauce and pasta.) Sunday would not be Sunday without going to Mass. Of course you couldn't eat before Mass, you had to fast before going to Holy Communion. But, the good part was, we knew when we got home we would find hot meatballs frying, and nothing tastes better than newly fried meatballs and fresh, crisp Italian bread dipped into a pot of gravy. I truly believe Italians live a romance with food.

There was another difference between US and THEM. We had gardens, not just flower gardens, but gardens where we grew tomatoes, tomatoes and more tomatoes. We ate them, cooked them and jarred them. Of course we also grew pepper, basil, lettuce and squash. Everybody had a grape vine and a fig tree and in the Fall everybody made homemade wine, lots of it. Of course, those gardens thrived so because we also had something else it seemed our "MEDI-GAN" friends didn't have. We had GRANDPARENTS! It's not that they didn't have grandparents also, it's just they didn't live in the same house, or on the same block. They visited their grandparents. We ate with ours, and God forbid we didn't see them at least once a day. I can still remember my grandfather telling us how he came to American as a young man, "on the boat". How the family lived in a rented tenement and took boarders in order to help make ends meet; how he decided he didn't want his children to grow up in that environment. All of this, of course, in his own version of Italian/English which I soon learned to understand quite well. So, when they saved enough, and I never could figure out how, they bought a house. That house STILL serves as the family headquarters. I remember how they hated to leave, would rather sit in the back yard and watch their garden grow. And when they did leave, for some special occasion, had to return as quickly as possible. After all, 'somebody might come by'. And trust me, somebody always comes by!

And the holidays when all the relatives would gather at my grandparents' house or my aunts' house, and there would always be tables full of food and homemade wine and music. Women in the kitchen, men in the living room, and kids, kids everywhere. I must have a half million cousins, first, second and some who aren't even related, but what did it matter. Everyone is family. And my grandfather and grandmother, Mama Nome, would sit in the middle of it all grinning. Surveying the family and how well the children had done. All married with fine wives and husbands, and healthy children. And everyone knew RESPECT. They had achieved their goal in coming to America, and now their children and their children were achieving the same goals that were available to them, in this Great Country, because they were Americans.

When my grandparents died years ago, things began to change. Family gatherings were fewer and something seems to be missing, although when we do get together, usually at my mother's house now (still the SAME house Mama Nome and Grandpa bought), I always had the feeling they were there somehow. It was understandable of course. Everyone now has families of their own and grandchildren of their own. Today we meet at weddings, holidays and wakes. Not so much of the daily visits though. Lots of other things have changed too. The last of the homemade wine has long since been drunk, and nobody covers the Fig tree in the Fall anymore. For a while we would make the rounds on the holidays, visiting family. Now we occasionally visit the cemetery. A lot of them are there, grandparents, uncles, and aunts. The holidays have changed too. The once great quantity of food we consumed without any ill effects is only consumed at Christmas and Thanksgiving. Not so much on the Sundays. Too much starch, too much cholesterol, too many calories. And the baking has cut down - too busy. And it's easier to buy it now, and too much is no good for you.

We meet at my mother's house now, at least my family does, but it's not the same, anymore. The difference between US and THEM isn't so easily defined anymore, and I guess that's good. My grandparents were ITALIAN/ITALIANS, my parents were ITALIAN/AMERICANS, I'm AMERICAN/ITALIAN and my children are AMERICAN/AMERICANS. Oh, I'm an American all right and proud of it, just as my grandparents would have wanted me to be. We are all Americans now, the Irish, English, Germans, Polish and Jewish. United States citizens all, but somehow I still feel a little bit Italian. Call it culture, call it tradition, call it roots, I'm really not sure what it is. All I do know is that my children have been cheated out of a wonderful piece of their heritage.

They never knew my GRANDPARENTS.

124 posted on 10/07/2003 7:51:23 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: JustAmy
Thanks Amy. I will wait as long as it takes LOL! You know, I predicted that Arnold would get over 50%. There is an exit poll right now which gives Arnold 51%, but who knows. Anyway, I want to see it.
125 posted on 10/07/2003 7:53:02 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Arnold has the conviction and the fighting spirit to lead California into a new age of recovery)
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To: Calpernia
Lovely,Calpernia.Wonderful memories.
126 posted on 10/07/2003 7:56:19 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: JustAmy
What's going on with Orange County refusing to turn over their results until later? I have a feeling that is Loretta Sanchez's contribution to the Democrat's attempt to discredit the election. What a bunch of scheming lowlife.
127 posted on 10/07/2003 8:00:12 PM PDT by MistyCA (For some...it's always going to be "A Nam Thing!")
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To: JustAmy
LOL, that was short. Arnold won!!!
128 posted on 10/07/2003 8:03:13 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Arnold has the conviction and the fighting spirit to lead California into a new age of recovery)
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To: Calpernia
Calpernia, what a lovely family history - you write and tell it so well! BUMP And turkey AFTER the Italian dishes? ROTF ROTF like a huge ball ;) LOL
129 posted on 10/07/2003 8:03:14 PM PDT by Libertina (God Bless our proud troops and support their families!)
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To: Calpernia
Thanks for sharing your heart with us Calpernia. The story about your Italian ancestor's was beautiful. Where did your grandparents but their first home...was it New York? You may have said, but it's so late I'm not sure. :)
130 posted on 10/07/2003 8:03:21 PM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: Calpernia
Thanks for sharing your heart with us Calpernia. The story about your Italian ancestor's was beautiful. Where did your grandparents buy their first home...was it New York? You may have said, but it's so late I'm not sure. :)
131 posted on 10/07/2003 8:03:39 PM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: Calpernia
Hmm. Interesting post. But through you, your children do meet your grandparents.
132 posted on 10/07/2003 8:14:23 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Calpernia
What a wonderful post, Cal.

My in-laws came here in the early 1900's from southern Italy. I have tried to do some genealogy but have not gone back into Italy. My husband's cousin went there about 5 years ago and did bring back copies of some church records.
The Christmas meals that my MIL fixed was a combination of American and Italian but nothing like your family prepared.

I really enjoyed reading about your family. I will print it out so my husband can read it.
133 posted on 10/07/2003 8:14:33 PM PDT by JustAmy (Praying for 7 yr old Jacquelyn and her family.)
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To: MEG33
Thanks Meg. Free's thread inspired me :)
134 posted on 10/07/2003 8:20:59 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Libertina
Yes Tina. Food everywhere in the Italian home. Anyone who walks in knows to go right to the kitchen!
135 posted on 10/07/2003 8:21:57 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Aquamarine
That home is right in Montclair NJ. Mama Lee still lives there. Paternal side grew up in Newark, NJ. That was the place to be then. Now, you can't go through Newark, NJ without fear of being robbed.
136 posted on 10/07/2003 8:24:26 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: FreeTheHostages
Thanks Free. And thanks for the fun thread today.
137 posted on 10/07/2003 8:25:55 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: JustAmy
We have family from Southern Italy too. My Grandpa (Pop Pop) was from Southern Italy. Some of his family is still in Montclair. Everyone that settled in Newark has moved on.
138 posted on 10/07/2003 8:27:46 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Calpernia
Those are my kind of homes :)
139 posted on 10/07/2003 8:28:42 PM PDT by Libertina (God Bless our proud troops and support their families!)
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To: Calpernia
Fun is good. Have a bad head cold so had to do it fast too.
140 posted on 10/07/2003 8:36:50 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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