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Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/26/02 to ???

Posted on 09/26/2002 12:34:48 AM PDT by stlnative

NEW THREAD - PING WHOM EVER YOU LIKE - I DON'T PING ANYMORE - SORRY


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KEYWORDS: elizabethsmart
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To: varina davis
Reading the 9/29 SLC Tribune article makes one think Ed must be a marathon runner to have searched his 6,000 sq.ft. home for Elizabeth in 3 minutes flat. He looked at his bedroom clock, remembered that it said 3:58 a.m. when Mary Katherine woke him that, "A man's taken Elizabeth."

Again, as he was rushing through the house, MK came downstairs and said, "You're not going to find her. A man took her."

What's wrong here? MK WOKE Ed at 3:58 a.m. The parents' bedroom IS downstairs (where a burglar would find material goods of worth to pawn, if that were his intention to begin with).

Nobody asks MK, what man? How do you know? Any number of questions could have been asked in a matter of a few seconds.

Ed admits that both he & Elizabeth are sound sleepers.

I'm a sound sleeper, & it usually takes a while for conversation to register, the length depending on the gravity of the message. So, Ed may have immediately woken & jumped out of bed. But there's only 3 minutes till 4:01 a.m. & dialing 911, & that's a lot happening in such a short time.

721 posted on 09/30/2002 10:27:13 PM PDT by lakey
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To: varina davis
Blackmail is one possibility that come to mind.

Don't you think that would have been uncovered by now?

722 posted on 09/30/2002 10:31:18 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Devil_Anse
hey DA....have you been over to the Jameson site lately?

doug Pierce claims to have found some interesting items several hundred feet from the Dehesa site....

its at webblseuths...

723 posted on 09/30/2002 10:35:35 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Devil_Anse
i get the distinct impression from this link, you know much more about legal doings than most people, but these aren't united states references.
724 posted on 09/30/2002 10:40:07 PM PDT by jandji
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To: Palladin
Mary Katherine's story has never rung true. She appears very much to have been coached by the parents in the telling of this tale.

There is absolutely nothing in the public record to substantiate this. All accounts from all parties involved including an independent arbiter (Jeanne Boylan) say just the opposite. I've asked it before and I'll ask it here again. Do you think that a 9 year old girl could fool the SLPD/FBI for almost 4 months? If so, what would be her motive?

725 posted on 09/30/2002 10:43:04 PM PDT by sandude
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To: jandji
Sure seems like the tape must be long gone, doesn't it?

From 3:58 a.m., according to the 9/29 SLC Tribune article, to 4:01 a.m., when the 911 call was allegedly made, Ed frantically searched his super-large 2-story home for Elizabeth. He fought a rising panic as Lois got "pretty worked up."

Lois spotted the cut kitchen window screen, screamed at her husband to call 911 (which is not the scenario their son recalled - she let out a blood-curdling scream like he had never heard before - no mention of her telling Ed to call 911. At this point, I have to say, was HER arm broke?, which is a little joke in my home).

By the time the police arrived some 12 to 17 minutes later (depending on what source one is reading), Ed & Lois had called "...almost the entire ward," as well as alerted some neighbors.

Dinse said of the initial police response & screw-up, "But remember, these officers were trying to determine what sort of case they had."

Does that sound like a man with a gun had kidnapped Elizabeth?

726 posted on 09/30/2002 10:43:13 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Devil_Anse
so, do you believe there was a kidnapper? it's either that, or a very horrible family thing.
727 posted on 09/30/2002 10:46:18 PM PDT by jandji
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To: Bella
What "kind" of DNA if they were in the jeep together?

I'm SHOCKED that you would slander the good name of Richard Ricci. How dare you!

728 posted on 09/30/2002 10:46:24 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Devil_Anse
again, not one shred of evidence indicating ricci was in the bedroom of lin lee, only conjecture.
729 posted on 09/30/2002 10:49:38 PM PDT by jandji
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To: lakey
so now Ed is saying that it was definately 3:58 am when MK came into the room....

thusly, the scream from Lois came after that....

therefore....the bloody scream that the good doctor heard was NOT the same as Lois's ....the doc said it was about 2:30 when he heard his scream.....

maybe it was Lizzi screaming then.....

730 posted on 09/30/2002 10:51:32 PM PDT by cherry
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To: varina davis
I'd be in shock if the SLC Trib. or Deseret News managed any in-depth investigating.

Why should they when a paragon of journalism like the NE is on the job. I've been patiently waiting to them to do a follow up on their Smart sex expose. I'm sure they've interviewed all of the male escorts in town and are really going to blow the lid on this thing. Or maybe NOT.

731 posted on 09/30/2002 10:52:06 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
Don't you think that would have been uncovered by now?

No. Why would you think so? If someone is being blackmailed so they won't talk -- they won't talk.

732 posted on 09/30/2002 10:56:01 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: jandji
again, not one shred of evidence indicating ricci was in the bedroom of lin lee, only conjecture.

Only items stolen from that room in Ricci's possession and only his voluntary admission of guilt.

733 posted on 09/30/2002 10:56:02 PM PDT by sandude
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To: lakey
The whole scenario is rife with contradictions.
734 posted on 09/30/2002 10:57:05 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
If someone is being blackmailed so they won't talk -- they won't talk.

And who would this be varina?

735 posted on 09/30/2002 10:57:26 PM PDT by sandude
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To: cherry
Maybe it was Elizabeth's scream.

Back to the Tribune article, this woman Suann Adams said, "It's not like Ed went out and called a bunch of high school kids, these are responsible adults, who aren't going to put their handprints all over everything."

A frenzied father is running through the house, thinking about handprints? He exited the house from one door or another, & stopped to think that there might be fingerprints on the doorknob?

736 posted on 09/30/2002 10:58:12 PM PDT by lakey
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To: sandude
But YOU have no proof that Ricci made any voluntary admission of guilt.

The case stinks and you know it!

737 posted on 09/30/2002 11:00:47 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Devil_Anse
safe to say, ricci was indeed a convicted felon, and a drug user. and as you believe, a scumbag, no argument from me. as far as his actual words, we have few. but the few we have quoted from his mouth are much less contradictory than quoted words from the smart family.
738 posted on 09/30/2002 11:01:20 PM PDT by jandji
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To: sandude
sandude...I think the NE is probably as credible as anyone when it comes to these kinds of stories.....THe editor was on the Catherine Cryer show about a week or two after the story broke....he said he stands by what they published...

It could be an embarrassing revelation or it could be case related if it is true....it certainly would open someone up to blackmail or at least allow certain things to go on that normally one wouldn't allow....for instance, having an excon who is often late and not trustworthy work at your house, and be around your children.....

739 posted on 09/30/2002 11:03:47 PM PDT by cherry
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To: sandude
Why should they when a paragon of journalism like the NE is on the job.

You have a point. Not likely such a story would see the light of day in SLC. Look what happened to the NE.

740 posted on 09/30/2002 11:04:00 PM PDT by varina davis
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