Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/26/02 to ???

[stlnative]

NEW THREAD - PING WHOM EVER YOU LIKE - I DON'T PING ANYMORE - SORRY

[Devil_Anse]

How funny that you don't remember my discussion of this possibility (incest) with varina and jengaio. I also told varina that I believed her scenario that perhaps Elizabeth was such a victim, was possible. But where is the proof? It might be there...but where is it? We can't state these things as facts, but I have already accepted that it is one scenario to consider. Aw, gee, you must have missed that...how conveeeenient.

I call that practicing what I preach.

And Cherry, I've said over and over that Freerepublic has the biggest advantage, to me: it is a CONSERVATIVE forum.
But as for people being more adult on the other Child Abductions site---I STAND BY EVERY WORD OF THAT.

Why do you only tell me to look at myself in the mirror? It appears you are afraid to criticize some other posters, who have been guilty of some rather childish antics, even before I arrived here as a poster. OTOH, I can't blame you if you are afraid--then they'd probably start in on you! Can't take the heat, I suppose!

[anatolfz]

Okay; found it here, or at least a summary. Here's a bit of it, apparently the NE for Fri. 21 June (a good while ago).

"Police found a horrifying journal alleging the mind-boggling activities of all three brothers....it contained explicit allegations of homosexual activity concerning Dave, Ed, and Tom, including preferences for sadomasochism, a history of their homosexual activity, and details of their wives' knowledge of the brothers' homosexuality."

"The journal also recorded their alleged use of male escorts."

It looks bad, but I'm not sure what the implications are.

[Devil_Anse]

How does it relate to Elizabeth? Please give me the proven facts of how that allegation relates to Elizabeth.

[varina davis]

It looks bad, but I'm not sure what the implications are.

Blackmail is one possibility that come to mind.

[Devil_Anse]

Here's one for you and your imaginary friends, from Spiro:

"Effete corps of impudent snobs."

[varina davis]

It's also possible that's why LE wanted to question Edmunds so badly.

[freedox]

I doubt that Ed would be so much concerned with physical evidence as he would be with eye witnesses to his and Ricci's spat in the parking lot. Perhaps someone has finally come forward with an account of what they saw? I would be curious to know what at time of day this occurred.

[Devil_Anse]

Kinda reminds me of you and "Bella."

[varina davis]

How does it relate to Elizabeth? Please give me the proven facts of how that allegation relates to Elizabeth.

Well, for starters, it doesn't sound like the healthiest environment for young daughters -- or sons, for that matter. Might even make a child want to leave home.

[jandji]

yes, ed accuses ricci of theft, fires him, hires him back, trades jeep for labor, takes jeep back, gives jeep back, all in june of 2001. in october of 2001 ricci and ed meet for the "last" time, when ed turns the title of the jeep over to ricci. ed had to have been paying insurance all that time, you have to have proof of registration to assume insurance. more fishy stuff, why?

[Devil_Anse]

Yes. I see. Ed "might have left evidence on Richard's brand-new purchased-in-May 2002 seatcovers"....when Ed went over and sat in the jeep preparing to drive it off IN 2001.

Um. Yeah.

What color is the sky in your world?

[Devil_Anse]

NE has a gaggle of lawyers reviewing its articles before publication. They allowed this article to be published.

They also claimed a week or so ago that the Smart case was solved. So, um, like, what are we doing here.....?

The NE has the resources to pay a defamation award, if one should be awarded to someone who sues them. More often, it is a quiet settlement. They consider it a cost of doing business.

It also makes it much easier for them to print untrue things about those 3 people you mentioned b/c those people have sought the limelight and are therefore arguably public figures. Are you saying that everything the National Enquirer has published about any given celebrity has been true? Under the law governing public figures, someone can publish something about them that turns out to be untrue as long as the publisher didn't do it with "reckless disregard for the truth."

The most humorous part of this is the way you pick apart, mistrust, and question every word other publications publish about this case--yet you take the National Enquirer's word on face value, swallowing it whole. That says a lot about you, Palladin (as if we needed more.)

[varina davis]

The most humorous part of this is the way you pick apart, mistrust, and question every word other publications publish about this case--yet you take the National Enquirer's word on face value, swallowing it whole. That says a lot about you, Palladin (as if we needed more.)

I believe it's been posted many times on this thread that the SLC LE is where the NE got their information.

[jandji]

i'm sure that, along with the police-log files that confirmed ed called family and nieghbors before calling police, the 911 tape is long gone.

[Devil_Anse]

And where did the info that "the SLC LE is where the NE got their information" come from, Varina? Originally?

[cherry]

look, DA.....I was only pointing out YOUR words...about the other site....that people were able to talk and suggest ideas and not get it between the eyes so to speak....

I was not addressing anything particular that you said ....

I do wish though that everyone here would be a little more open to ideas....at least, a little less paranoid ....

you can look all over.....there is no other site like FR....to find the news, to get insight, to evaluate sources.....there is no better source than here....

other sites may be better for long posts but this place here is much better for CONVERSATION.....

[varina davis]

Two personal computers and one with business material on it were among those turned over by the Smart family at police request, Dinse said, and all three now have been returned. He did not say who owned the other nine computers, but said "we are mostly done with [them]."

The National Enquirer tabloid newspaper is expected to publish a story today about the contents of the computer, said Det. Dwayne Baird.

Here's one source, the SLC Trib. June 21. Apparently detectives knew the story would be published before it hit the stands.

[Palladin]

When varina conjectured that Ed's admission to being in the Jeep after he "gave" it to Ricci might be a pre-emptive strike against more damaging information about to come out about Ed Smart, it started me thinking. Why would Ed want to place himself in the car after he was no longer the owner. What did he do in that Jeep, and when did he do it? Was it really Ricci who removed the seat covers, or someone sent by Ed Smart?

Then I thought about the Skakel case. For years, Michael Skakel denied being near Martha's house during the time of night when she was killed. Then, when private investigators hired by his own father found out the truth about that night, Michael concocted a story about masturbating in the tree above where Martha's body was found. This was to account for his DNA being there. An alibi for his DNA, as it were.

Now, is Ed Smart in some way preparing for a defense that would make it look innocent for his DNA to be in the Jeep, possibly on NEW seat covers, installed after he turned the Jeep over to Ricci? It could be from hair, saliva, or "other" secretions. If it could be established that that Ed Smart was in the Jeep around the time of the kidnapping, could this possibly tie him to Elizabeth's sudden disappearance?

Mary Katherine's story has never rung true. She appears very much to have been coached by the parents in the telling of this tale.

Alternatively, Ed Smart knows the police have physical evidence from the Jeep. He might fear it could reveal activities such as those that went on in Gary Condit's apartment. Gay orgies with the people named in the alleged Sex Journal. Prominent people -- trusted members of the community. So he wants to account for any such evidence of his presence in the Jeep that might be damaging to him.

The deal with the Jeep always seemed strange to me. Ed was still in possession of the title for weeks after he handed it over to Ricci. And probably in possession of the keys, too.

This is all IMHO....speculation trying to tie together the Jeep, the abduction, the disposal of Elizabeth's body, dead or alive, the gay sex ring, the escort service, the sadomasochism, etc. Don't you think the FBI is asking some of the same questions?

Mary Katherine's story has never rung true. She appears very much to have been coached by the parents in the telling of this tale.

More about the homosexual escort service, and a possible tie-in to the jeep, tomorrow.

Good night.

[Bella]

Now, is Ed Smart in some way preparing for a defense that would make it look innocent for his DNA to be in the Jeep

What "kind" of DNA if they were in the jeep together?