Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/17/02 to ???

[Neenah]

Take for instance all those posts you made here on the Smart thread saying you had evidence that Mr. Van Dam sexually abused Danielle and murdered her to cover up for it and was trying to push the blame off on poor Mr. Westerfield

Listen, sherlock....you produce that post where I said I HAD EVIDENCE that Mr. Van Dam sexually abused Danielle and MURDERED HER !! And you better find it quick.

You have slandered my name on a public board and I will go to JimRob immediately with it.!! Enough is Enough!!

I have my post about Van Dam case. I used it as an illustration to show that in ANY case, you can't determine the outcome until all the evidence is in. In the Smart case, we have basically nothing of worth at this time.

You show me where I said I HAVE EVIDENCE VAN DAM MURDERED HIS DAUGHTER...What I did post was from Free Republic..the daily thread run by FresnoDA. On there they published a finding posted on a national web site by investigator's on the case. They printed out reports in the case as to the finding OF THE INVESTIGATIVE TEAM that went into the Van Dam home after the little girl was missing. THE INVESTIGATOR WAS LOOKING INTO POSSIBLE ABUSE BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS WROTE IN THE DIARY...in fact. the Judge in the case OMITTED the Diary as evidence. But it was there as evidence.There was also alot of evidence the Judge omitted, for his reasons.

I wrote my post to say at that time I was concerned about that little one.I believe Westerfield is the scum of the earth , and was never a sympathiser of his..I just watched the trial and it took a long time to hear evidence. I used the Westerfield trial as illustration, is all. And I never said that Mr. Van Dam murdered his daughter!!!! YOU RETRACT THAT, OR COPY/PASTE my post...if not..you are being reported for slander. START LOOKING FOR IT, LADY.SHOW EVERYONE ME SAYING MR. VAN DAM MURDERED HIS DAUGHTER AND I HAD EVIDENCE OF IT.

[varina davis]

To Sherlock: Funny, you're the one who has been warned by the moderator & had a post removed, not Neenah. A thimble could contain all you know about anything.

Perfect, lakey, perfect!

[varina davis]

I've never had a post removed. I got a msg from the moderator to 'watch it' one time because of varina complaining to him.

I've never complained to the moderator about anyone. But if I ever did, you surely would be included.

[varina davis]

To Sherlock: I don't see what it has to do with our politics.

It just called "baiting," FR_addict. Don't bite. You don't have to defend anything.

[varina davis]

I like your style.

[varina davis]

Out of the pulpit, Devil, and back to the topic.

[Devil_Anse]

You know, Varina, after your last 4 or so rather exuberant posts, I was very tempted to post something like "you're in your glory tonight, Varina!"

But I didn't. Oh. Wait. Well, I have now.

Scaredkat, here is a story for you to add to the file on perverts which you seem to have been keeping. (I think it's a good idea, who knows what we might figure out about the Smart case by noticing such things?) Anyway, this one was in Bountiful, and he accosted a 13-yr-old girl.

http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,410014441,00.html

[Sherlock]

You can report whatever you want, just make sure you show that long post to him. You posted several screenfuls of what looked to be pro-Westerfield articles and you made the point that things aren't what they appear in the case. I remember you convinced someone else to check it out and they came back saying they never knew about all that information and my impression was it was about Westerfield being innocent. It appeared obvious to me you were making the case that Westerfield was being framed but I must admit after looking over the first article I knew it was trash and skipped the rest. It was about some investigator that walked into Danielle's room and instantly found a diary by Danielle on a shelf where she described fearing and being humiliated by her father or some sort of thing so the investigator was sure he was sexually molesting her. It's pretty hard to imagine after seeing this trash you weren't pro-Westerfield. If you want we can go back and dredge all this stuff but you should really stay on topic, if we want to see the Westerfield case we'll go to the threads on that, and the one article I read was outrageous.

[varina davis]

You be nice, now, or no more great recipes.

[Neenah]

You posted several screenfuls of what looked to be pro-Westerfield articles

"what looked to be pro=Westerfield articles" is a long way from saying I said I had evidence that Mr. van Dam murdered his daugher.

my impression was it was about Westerfield being innocent.

Your impression? Is that the same as saying that I said I had evidence of Mr. Van Dam murdering his daughter?

It appeared obvious to me you were making the case that Westerfield was being framed

It appeared obvious? I am capable of putting my point across. Sometimes I use bold font for that purpose. I say what I mean. You don't have to think it obvious.

but you should really stay on topic, if we want to see the Westerfield case we'll go to the threads on that,

Excuse me, Sherlock, YOU ADDRESSED THE VAN DAM CASE...YOU FALSLY ACCUSED ME OF SOMETHING I DID NOT DO....you brought it up....NOT ME.

I have made them aware of you. They can do what they want.

[Devil_Anse]

I don't do nice very well, but I could use a good recipe for bread pudding...

[Jolly Green]

Sorry to see you're having this problem, I haven't heard anything good about HP or Wxp lately...see you soon..

Win XP works perfectly on most machines. I have no explanation of how HP has configured it to run on their machines.

[sandude]

Win XP works perfectly on most machines.

I know a bunch of folks who would disagree with that.

[Devil_Anse]

What's that? Someone made the point that things weren't what they appeared in the Westerfield case? Well, Sherlock, they weren't! Have you read the recently-released stuff about the closed hearings? Here's some of what they covered: A man claimed to have seen Westerfield's motor home parked near a place called Coronado Cay, mid-morning the day after Danielle disappeared. He heard screams coming from the motor home. The man was not called as witness by the prosecution b/c he had a robbery conviction in his past. One of Westerfield's ex-wives claimed she had several times caught Westerfield coming into their home in the middle of the night, carrying binoculars. She figured he'd been peeping in windows. In the Westerfield/Van Dam neighborhood, there was a woman who used to exercise on a treadmill near a window. Her house had the same floor plan as the Van Dams'. One time she met Westerfield and was unsettled when he casually said to her, "oh, you're the one who exercises on the treadmill in your house." A woman claimed to have been the victim of "date-rape" by Westerfield in a motel room some years ago. Westerfield was married at the time, but was cheating on his wife. More than one witness said they saw Westerfield's motor home on Feb. 3 and 4, very near the place where Danielle's body was later found.

And, not that this necessarily reflects on Westerfield, but it has been alleged that his maternal grandfather, Eldon Marple, molested several young children, many of whom were relatives.

[varina davis]

I don't do nice very well, but I could use a good recipe for bread pudding...

OK. Nice or not, here an easy one for:

Acadian Bread Pudding with Amaretto Sauce

1 loaf stale French bread

1 quart milk

1/2 cup sugar

6 eggs

1 cup golden raisins

1 tablespoon pure vanilla

Splash of Amaretto (to add to hot bread pudding)

In a large bowl, soak bread in milk. Add sugar, raisins, and vanilla. Add eggs. Mix very lightly. Place in well-buttered baking dish. Bake at 375 degrees for 30 to 45 minutes (until set). Serve topped with Amaretto Sauce:

Amaretto Sauce:

1 stick butter

1 cup powdered sugar

1/4 cup Amaretto

1 egg yolk

Over low heat, melt butter and sugar together, stirring constantly. Add Amaretto and egg yolks. Heat slowly for one or two minutes to set eggs. Poke holes in bread pudding and pour sauce over it.

Now, where in the world is the Smart family these days?

[FR_addict]

Hi Neenah,
I sure wouldn't be surprised with anything that the Van Dams did. I consider anyone that would bring swingers home around their kids to be capable of anything.

I believed that Westerfield did it, but I just have no sympathy for the Van Dam's like Sherlock seems to have.

Brenda even allowed the woman who she didn't trust around her daughter to be in the house.

I believe they would have kept any evidence out that showed there may have been abuse in that family out of the case so as not to confuse the jury. If my child died on the night I had been partying and too stoned to check why the burglar alarm went off and the door wasn't closed, I would feel very guilty.

I bet these two just go back to their old swinging lifestyle.

My sympathy was with the child and her siblings.

[scaredkat]

Just have to say this nothing to do with case.

Yeah! SLC Olympics 2002 EMMY Award winner for the openings. This is as close as I will ever get to an emmy award.

Please no response, I was just happy for a minute good news for slc for once.

[scaredkat]

I have saved that info. Thanks

A note We have a lot of back roads and especially in the mountains. If you go up imagration canyon when you get on to other roads one will take you into bountiful and then splits over to ogden. I think this is how B. Edmonds got around he wasnt using the freeways but mountain roads. These roads are mostly paved. You never know what might happen.

[Devil_Anse]

MMMMMMMMMM! I think I gained 20 pounds just reading the recipe. Amaretto--never thought of that for bread pudding! Thanks!

[Neenah]

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Neenah