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Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/9/02 to ???

Posted on 09/09/2002 8:52:09 PM PDT by stlnative

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To: Jolly Green; spore-gasm
I have indeed suspected Moul of shady dealings, spore-gasm. I have been disabused of that notion, for now.

But even when I was at the height of my suspicions of Moul, suspecting him of being involved in, shall we say, shady business dealings with Ricci, nowhere in the scenarios I thought up did I ever find anything that could point to Moul's setting Ricci up for the abduction of Elizabeth Smart. Moul could be as crooked as Clinton's thang, but still, why would he lie to get Ricci charged with the kidnapping? There's just nothing that points to it.
561 posted on 09/14/2002 9:07:47 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: varina davis
"Former Bishop Spencer Dixon, defrocked by the LDS... He lived in the same neighborhood as LS's grandparents"

These people live in completely distinct areas. The bottom end of a huge canyon separates them. No way they could be considered in the same neighborhood.

562 posted on 09/14/2002 9:08:48 PM PDT by jo6pac
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To: Jolly Green
License Numbers

Charlie Miller the milkman wrote down 266RDA or 266RLA. Neither was in the Utah DMV database.

The plate on Edmunds car was 266XJH. I don't know if that plate was in the Utah DMV database or not.
563 posted on 09/14/2002 9:10:22 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: landerwy
Yes, of course, innocent until proven guilty - & that applies to everybody. Usually.

Say, I haven't bought the National Enquirer but have learned that the FBI is criticizing SLC PD for its emphasis on Ricci as the perp, and not expanding their investigation - that the FBI WILL find the person responsible for Elizabeth's abduction/kidnapping.

So, I apologize for one of my posts, stating "the FBI has been a laughing stock for years." If the Utah FBI is more competent than many other districts, more power to them. Overall, the agency could use some really good publicity, & I wish them well.

564 posted on 09/14/2002 9:12:02 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Sherlock
Watch it, Sherl. Better go back to the Bible quotes.
565 posted on 09/14/2002 9:15:09 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Devil_Anse
I have indeed suspected Moul of shady dealings

I thought early and posted it was possible Moul might have been in on the job with Ricci with his reponsibility being to tell LE the Jeep had been in his shop all the time. Under this scenario he may have chickened out and decided to keep the records accurately and when LE came in to see him he told them the truth about Ricci taking it and returning it all dirty. This would explain why Ricci didn't bother taking the evidence out of the Jeep until it was in Moul's lot. Also if Edmunds were involved this would explain why the neighbor he was parking next to noted his green Saturn was always perfectly clean, I though he might have washed it every couple of days at Moul's car wash area. Ricci wouldn't be able to tell LE Moul was in on it without implicating himself. Even though Angela makes fun of his talking neither of the Riccis has railed on Moul and accused him of being a liar, only that he is mistaken. This could be because Moul knows enough to pin the kidnapping on them if they push him.

The problem with this theory is the way Moul has given such damaging testimony to LE on Ricci, like the dirty Jeep and wearing the machette. If the information he gave led to Ricci being charged and convicted Ricci would have given Moul up out of revenge.

566 posted on 09/14/2002 9:23:26 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: lakey
I haven't bought the National Enquirer but have learned that the FBI is criticizing SLC PD for its emphasis on Ricci as the perp, and not expanding their investigation - that the FBI WILL find the person responsible for Elizabeth's abduction/kidnapping.

Is this in the NE?

567 posted on 09/14/2002 9:27:06 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Devil_Anse
According to news reports, in addition to giving TV interviews, Moul has appeared in the grand jury. That's testimony, Varina, as you well know.

Grand Jury testimony is not available to the public -- as you well know.

569 posted on 09/14/2002 9:28:27 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: lakey
Say, I haven't bought the National Enquirer but have learned that the FBI is criticizing SLC PD for its emphasis on Ricci as the perp, and not expanding their investigation - that the FBI WILL find the person responsible for Elizabeth's abduction/kidnapping.

That's great news, lakey! I've been complaining forever the police seem to want to protect whoever the guy is with the white baseball hat. I had heard implication and wondered if there might be a rift between SLCPD and the FBI on the case. Actually I'm not sure how much the FBI has really been involved aside from providing profilers early in the case and working on the video from Shriner's at their lab in Quantica, VA, although Ed Smart has from time to time talked about his conversations with the FBI on the case and having disagreements/not thinking they're moving fast enough. If the SLCPD were hiding something I think it would much more likely be their own screwup to save their own hides rather than some Mormon bishop. The FBI has been a laughing stock in several cases since they came under the influence of the Clintons.

570 posted on 09/14/2002 9:32:19 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Devil_Anse
And let's not forget another alleged instance of Ricci's "tenderness and consideration" towards "women": the allegation by a former girlfriend that he was just a little too "tender and considerate" with her underage daughter.

I don't know any more facts about that allegation than you or anyone else does. I have read the daughter was 16 years old, which is not exactly a child.

571 posted on 09/14/2002 9:33:41 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: home educate
I could be almost sure that I had read Neth Moul testifying at the Grand Jury.

He did testify before the Grand Jury but we have not been given what that testimony was. All statements made by Mr. Moul that we've discussed are from the media. We can assume that his testimony is essentially the same with any of his inconsistencies cleared up. It is possible that he gave the GJ much more information than we are aware of. It is possible that his testimony was vastly different than what he told the press. That is not likely though because spreading falsehoods would certainly hurt his business. I believe that once he's testified he can no longer talk to the press about it.

572 posted on 09/14/2002 9:34:24 PM PDT by sandude
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To: lakey
Watch it, Sherl. Better go back to the Bible quotes.

Read Post 522.

573 posted on 09/14/2002 9:35:02 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: varina davis
I have read the daughter was 16 years old, which is not exactly a child.

Better check your law books varina.

574 posted on 09/14/2002 9:36:17 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Sherlock
That's great news, lakey! I've been complaining forever the police seem to want to protect whoever the guy is with the white baseball hat. I had heard implication and wondered if there might be a rift between SLCPD and the FBI on the case.

Thought you and several others on this thread discounted all reports from the NE as tabloid trash. Now you like what you hear from NE?

576 posted on 09/14/2002 9:41:16 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: sandude
That's what was told to me - haven't read it myself.
577 posted on 09/14/2002 9:43:42 PM PDT by lakey
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To: sandude
Better check your law books varina.

Speaking of reality, not law. Moreover, never heard of any charges regarding this allegation by an ex-wife.

578 posted on 09/14/2002 9:43:48 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Moreover, never heard of any charges regarding this allegation by an ex-wife.

I think it was a girl friend and I've never heard of any sexual charges being brought against your bud.

579 posted on 09/14/2002 9:50:41 PM PDT by sandude
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To: lakey
That's what was told to me - haven't read it myself.

On the NE website, there is a headline from the current issue proclaiming: "Utah kidnap mystery solved!" But of course, there is no access to a link. Guess those who have inquiring minds will have to buy it to find out details.

580 posted on 09/14/2002 9:52:49 PM PDT by varina davis
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