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Elizabeth Smart thread, September 5, 2002-?

Posted on 09/04/2002 8:39:12 PM PDT by IamHD

ES missing since 6-5-2002 and will have been missing for 3 months in a few hours, so I thought that this would be an approriate time to start a new thread.


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To: IamHD
Cat burglars do NOT normally have guns.

Well that proves it. If (IamHD thinks that) cat burglars do Not (normally) have guns, then you must acquit!

101 posted on 09/05/2002 7:45:18 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Palladin
"What a vicious remark!"

What would you know about vicious, Palladin? Your own remarks are always so gentle and compassionate.
102 posted on 09/05/2002 7:47:26 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: scaredkat
I am 100% believing that the kidnapper was a very important person, (city offical) (le) (parole officer)this is why there is such a big cover from the police,fbi and they are making/letting the smarts think they are running the show.

You may be on to something here, there's some reason the SLCPD is working so hard to protect the identity of the kidnapper. However I think the Smarts do things on their own, like releasing the BLUE VAN clue and the sketch of the man with the WHITE BASEBALL CAP.

Was she being sent to one of the camps

I've never heard of any camps like this and they wouldn't have sent Liz there, she was a good kid despite what Bella and varina have to say about her.

103 posted on 09/05/2002 7:49:41 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Jolly Green
This is not my quote, but from my own LE! Get it right and quit making things up.
104 posted on 09/05/2002 7:50:05 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: IamHD; All
Salazar said the attacker slipped into the home through an unlocked side door and first went into the bedroom of the girl's 10-year-old brother and asked the boy where his father slept. The boy pretended not to hear and went into his sister's room to sleep after the man left.

The man returned a half hour later and took the girl from her room as her brother slept, Salazar said. The children's father and grandparents also were sleeping in the home at the time.

Seems to me this guy was pretty darn good at sneaking around in homes after everyone was asleep, too. Can't imagine why no one considers Javier Sickler as the possible alleged kidnapper.

105 posted on 09/05/2002 7:51:41 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: spore-gasm
The initial $10,000 reward offered by Mayor Rocky Anderson had swelled to $250,000 by the end of June 6.

You left off the most important part. The $250K reward was contingent upon the safe return of ES. And you think Moul thought he could collect on that? That's a stretch.

106 posted on 09/05/2002 7:52:00 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: IamHD
That just shows the person that kidnapped Liz was there for her, not to burglarize. I found it very interesting that the SLCPD said their view was it was a burglary Liz caught them in. That makes no sense to me or to Ed Smart I might add. What is up with the SL Police?
107 posted on 09/05/2002 7:53:07 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: IamHD
"Cat burglars do NOT normally have guns."

Police have also been known to tell people that exhibitionists and obscene callers virtually never graduate to serious sex crimes. It's not true.

Let's each poll all the cat burglars we know, and find out what percentage of them, if any, carry guns while burglarizing. We'll meet back here later and compare results.
108 posted on 09/05/2002 7:54:06 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Jolly Green
If your spouse died, would you be on a worldwide cable network reading your love letters before the funeral? Would you even consider writing a book? Would you have a PR person?

If my spouse died under these circumstance, you're damn right I would, just as quick as I could get a booking. But I doubt I or most people would have the poise and grace that Angela Ricci showed under the glare of TV cameras.

109 posted on 09/05/2002 7:54:27 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Jolly Green
You left off the most important part. The $250K reward was contingent upon the safe return of ES. And you think Moul thought he could collect on that? That's a stretch.

How could he have collected by giving false information, that would only have led him into the can when they found out what really happened.

110 posted on 09/05/2002 7:54:57 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: spore-gasm
He recently mentioned it to a member of "the family" and they are the ones who are making it public.

You obviously don't have any proof for this. I can think of a better explanation. Moul told the police who didn't want to release it to the public for fear of endangering Elizabeth’s life. The family released it later on because they are losing hope and want closure. The fact is you don't know any more than I do what the details are in this situation.

111 posted on 09/05/2002 7:55:11 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Sherlock
I have no idea what is up with SLPD, but I will say that IF the 2 cars at the Shriner's Hospital were involved, this was NO burglary. One would not need all of these vehicles to do a burglary. But, I am NOT convinced that these cars are involved in this kidnapping. And, we may never know what happened to Elizabeth!
112 posted on 09/05/2002 7:58:36 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: Sherlock
I found it very interesting that the SLCPD said their view was it was a burglary Liz caught them in. That makes no sense to me or to Ed Smart I might add. What is up with the SL Police?

What's up with SL police? Because Ricci had a burglary background and they most likely hoped to pin it on him and get the case over with.

113 posted on 09/05/2002 7:59:20 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
poise and grace ....

Huh???? Did you see the same interview I saw??? All I saw was a guilt ridden woman cowering and occasionally sitting up to reel off her carefully crafted excuses that were in total denial of and contradiction to the most basic facts of the case. She seems to have quite a cult following here on FR.

114 posted on 09/05/2002 8:00:33 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: IamHD
Do you honestly believe that LE told Neth Moul not to tell AB about this little tidbit while he was being interviewed??

Yes I do, in this case especially. Tipping the public to the blue van at that time could have recklessly endangered Elizabeth's life. LE had to consider that if they could find the van quietly then they may be able to rescue a living, breathing, Elizabeth Smart.

115 posted on 09/05/2002 8:01:31 PM PDT by sandude
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To: varina davis
What's up with SL police? Because Ricci had a burglary background and they most likely hoped to pin it on him and get the case over with.

If that were their intention the case would have been over a long time ago.

116 posted on 09/05/2002 8:02:20 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Devil_Anse
Well, aren't you cute!

I will go with what LE tells me, and they (my) LE tell me that this is a fact! They want IN and OUT...the sooner the better. Whether I do or don't have my own weapon to defend myself or my children is another story.

117 posted on 09/05/2002 8:02:54 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: Devil_Anse
Welcome to the fray. I haven't been to the Smoker yet, but supposedly IamHD will move it there soon. Stay tuned.
118 posted on 09/05/2002 8:03:32 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Sherlock
she was a good kid despite what Bella and varina have to say about her.

I believe she is also but sometimes parents think strange things about their kids. My parents swore I was on drugs when I was 15 but I wasnt dont ever listen to if they change the moods they must be on drugs. I was just in love and they were thinking the worst of me.

I think with liz she being 14 and was around "construction guys" she would be flirting like any normal 14 yr old. probably ricci told ed what she was up and he did like it and said tom what should I do about her? I also have a thoughts on that night. Do we really think a kidnapper would quietly go in a room and tap on her shoulder and tell her to go with him. She would scream. Know think about this------Ed goes into his girls room quietly goes to elizabeth taps her on the shoulder tells her to come with him and grab your shoes. (What was he wearing that night?) Mk know it her dad but stay still. They leave the room. Mk gets up looks outside down onto the driveway. sees Elizabeth coming out of the house (garage door was open) then out comes someone who in the room she thought was her dad but know in the night light hes change different who is that? (ricci) whoever they were hiding in the garage never went into the house. Elizabeth is very confused but trust her dad says nothing. she get in the ????care???? with him and they drive away. ed goes to bed. mk very confused sits watching and waiting for her sister surely shell be back. after sometime she doesnt come back. mk goes to her parents not running not screaming like all children scared and confused like a dream. goes to her mom climbs in bed with her and holds on tight. Mom says whats wrong honey did you have a bad dream? No, I just want elizabeth to come back! What, What do you mean says her mom and then mk relates that someone took elizabeth and left with her. confused still to what she saw because she doesnt realize shes seen two different men is look striaght at her dad while telling her mother. this starts the commotion at the house and ed realizes that shes been gone alot longer than plan it was to be a simple scare and then bring her home. He calls tom first before anyone to get advise what to do.

sorry this is long but it sure would make sinse in and on behalf of MKs story and the events that took place. Thats why ed is saying to ricci tell me what you know.
119 posted on 09/05/2002 8:07:08 PM PDT by scaredkat
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To: Devil_Anse
Perfect, disruptor!


120 posted on 09/05/2002 8:08:03 PM PDT by IamHD
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