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Second Grade School Homework: What is in your room.
Glen Marlow Elementry School, Henderson County, North Carolina | August 8, 2002 | Douglas R. Griffin

Posted on 08/08/2002 7:06:51 PM PDT by MedicalMess

This is my daughters homework for this evening. She is 7 years old and in second grade. This homework was initiated by Glen Marlow Elementry School in Henderson County, North Carolina. Your view on this matter is welcome and will be presented to the proper officials in Henderson County. I would have included a 32KB JPG image of the page but I do not know how to get it into this posting editor. It displays fine on my computer as an HTML document. Have at it gang.

 

One Page form:

Name ____________________________

MY ROOM

My bedroom has: (count each item)

____ beds ____ lights

____ windows ____ pictures/posters

____ drawers ____ toys

____ desks or tables ____ books

 

My room is great because ________________________________

____________________________________________________

Here is a picture of a "dream" room I wish I had.

 

Copyright The Learning Works Page 9

 


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Is this an invasion of privacy? Could this be used by child rapers? See how many things you can come up with.
1 posted on 08/08/2002 7:06:51 PM PDT by MedicalMess
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To: MedicalMess
It's a leap.
2 posted on 08/08/2002 7:15:49 PM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: RJayneJ
It's a leap.

Really?

1) Car drives up to your kid, says that he is a friend of the family. Then he rattles off the above information to prove it. How many times more likely is your kid going to be to climb into the car with that person.

2) If you let your child answer this questionaire have you passively set a precedent for further questioning.

3) Would you like your kid to be graded based on answering questions of a personal nature. If you do not say "NO" to this what else won't you be able to say "NO" to in the future.

4) If the police were asking your child these and other questions at what point would you say, "Sorry, you are conducting an illegal interview without a parent present. Give me my child and get a search warrant if you want such information".

5) If you passively give consent now at what point in the future will you be denied the right to plead the fifth in a trial if such questioning provides information leading to a charge?

Come on people, you can do better than this.

3 posted on 08/08/2002 8:17:02 PM PDT by MedicalMess
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To: MedicalMess
Here is my response since I think the rest of you may be too chicken to say what you think to these people.

August 9th, 2002

Glen Marlow Administration

Glen Marlow Elementary School

Henderson County, N.C.

To Ms. Brittain:

This letter is written in regards to the homework assignment given on August 8th, 2002, entitled MY ROOM.

Please be advised that (daughter's name) has been given the strictest of direction not to give out any information relevant to the contents of our home or that, which pertains to our personal life. Dissemination of such material is solely at my discretion.

This assignment is forbidden in this family and will not be handed in. I am confident you are intelligent enough to find a working alternative.

The last thing I need is any person in possession of information, which can be used to:

    1. Allow another person to readily represent themselves as a friend of the family for purposes of assault, extortion, or kidnapping of a loved one.
    2. Give entrance points to my daughter’s room.
    3. Give a schematic of room interior.
    4. Give information allowing the theft of sensitive data or personal belongings.
    5. Cause physical, mental or financial harm to my family.

If you think I am "off base" on this matter, I have a homework assignment for the entire staff at Glen Marlow:

    1. Give me your full name.
    2. Give me your address.
    3. Give me your home phone.
    4. Give me your work phone.
    5. Give me you Social Security Number.
    6. Give me the number of windows to your bedroom.
    7. Give me an inventory of what you have in your bedroom.
    8. Give me a rundown of the most valuable commodities you like in your bedroom.
    9. Now draw me a schematic of your bedroom and hand it over.

This information is such that the police department cannot get it without a criminal investigation and a search warrant. Similar information was requested by the United States Census and I denied it directly to the census taker in person. He had no say in the matter since it is our right, under law, not to answer all but the first four questions on the census. No government official has the right to this information unless I choose to allow it, which I don’t.

It is unfortunate that the Henderson County School Board has not properly screened these assignments in such a manner as to remove them from civil liability. Because I have decided to object to this unwarranted questioning of my daughter, my wife is now in fear that (daughter's name) will not receive equal treatment in class. My child has been presented with a scenario where she cannot trust you as a teacher and I have instructed her to this effect.

Can you image for, one second, the alarm that I had when I found out that my child’s room was being inventoried for the school system? This seriously reaches into our private life and I am retaining this assignment for future legal action should it become necessary.

May I make this as clear as possible so there will be no future misunderstandings.

    1. It is the job of the Henderson County School Board to make sure my child is properly educated. That is it, period, and end of discussion.
    2. It is NOT the school’s business to involve themselves with our personal belongings or property.
    3. It is NOT the schools job to create conflict in my family.
    4. It is NOT the schools responsibility to pry into our private lives.
    5. You, and any other official, are NOT allowed to question or interview my daughter about any nonacademic activity without me being present. That's the law.

As one professional to another I expect my rights as a parent to be respected. I trust that you will bring this matter up with other teachers for discussion so that you may protect yourselves from further aggravation and possible liability problems. I further suggest you put this assignment, and this letter, before the school board attorney and let him chew on it a while. Your curriculum should never be allowed to put you in this position. If I were in your position I would lodge a formal complaint and use this letter as proof to make your argument and cover your back. But that’s just me. My response is not personal and you may show this, copy it, or give it to anyone who wishes to see it.

If you need me to back you up, I will. If you want me to help review your curriculum from the prospective of a system analyst I will. All you, and the staff, have to do is ask. I will volunteer my time, and show you trouble spots, as a person that routinely does post doctorate level research.

I will closely monitor all of (daughter's name) homework from here on. My horror at the sight of this assignment required my immediate attention such that this, or any other assignment like it, should never be allowed to happen again.

I hope that you do not take this personally or take offense to any degree, or level, even close to the offense and contempt that I view this assignment. I recognize the selection of topic is probably not your choice but some lame bureaucrats stupidity to try and draw a lawsuit.

Sincerely,

 

__________________________________

Douglas R. Griffin

System Analyst/Medical Researcher

Sub-acute Chronic Stealth Infection Theory and Population Studies


4 posted on 08/09/2002 1:08:42 AM PDT by MedicalMess
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To: MedicalMess
Very good! Wow! She will, of course, take it personally because the assignment was probably her idea. If she is the typical El-ed major she won't be able to comprehend the heart of your argument but will react with anger and fear. But that's ok. More schools need to realize they are not all powerful.

My attention was drawn to one of your points:
It is the job of the Henderson County School Board to make sure my child is properly educated. That is it, period, and end of discussion.

I would submit that this is too open ended. Who decides what "properly" means, what does it include? Using 'educated' gives them too much license. If I had the 'nads to write this letter, I would have stated: "It is the obligation of the Henderson Co. School Board to make sure my child receives instruction in reading, writing, spelling, arithmetic, social studies, art, music, and P.E. That is it, period, and end of discussion."

Ultimately, it is the responsibility of the parent to educate a child and it sounds like you're doing a great job.

5 posted on 08/09/2002 5:22:59 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: MedicalMess
I love your letter! You do realize, of course (I'm SURE you do) that this will put you on the district's (and therefore CPS's) blacklist for further interference. They may even try to take your kids away if you keep resisting them. If you're going to try to resist the public school system, you're going to have remain totally vigilant to prevent them from turning your own kid against you. I've seen it happen several times. I plan to avoid it by homeschooling or finding a good private Christian school.

If I sound like a nut on this issue, it's because I really have seen the scary stuff this system has to offer, and I saw it from a child's perspective. My dear old Dad is a rabid right-winger :) and always tried to protect the family's privacy (refusing to give our SSN's, etc.). As a result, CPS swooped down on me and my kid sis in 4th and 5th grades to try to manipulate us into turning them in for child abuse.

Seems the teacher who had always been most irked by my Dad's demands for personal privacy had noticed bruises on our arms (from wrestling each other) and called the authorities. After we told them how we got the bruises, they obviously didn't believe us and started in with other questioning about spanking, yelling, etc.

All of this went on in our parent's living room at 3 in the afternoon in the late 80's (maybe early 90's), before either parent had returned from work. They knocked on the door, demanded we let them in, and started asking us all these scary questions. It was terrifying.

6 posted on 08/09/2002 9:46:59 AM PDT by LibertyGirl77
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To: Carry_Okie
ping
7 posted on 08/09/2002 10:06:22 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: MedicalMess
I can't stand public education -- especially with federal involvement -- but even I don't see a problem with this particular assignment.
9 posted on 08/09/2002 10:27:12 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: MedicalMess
Are you sure this isn't part of the entrance exam for UNCCH?
10 posted on 08/09/2002 1:14:52 PM PDT by Goatman
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To: MedicalMess
Come on people, you can do better than this.

Nope, I can't. I had an assignment almost identical to this some 35 years ago. If it bothers you that much, perhaps you're in the wrong school.

11 posted on 08/09/2002 1:20:39 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: MedicalMess
Uhh...doesn't look any different then the "how I spent my summer vacation" style stuff most people do in school. As long as it's not like "How many gun's does mommy keep in the house?" or "How much alcohol is in your liquor cabinet" style stuff, I think it's fine.
12 posted on 08/09/2002 3:21:01 PM PDT by pragmatic
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To: MedicalMess
Well done!

Give no quarter to the nanny state.

13 posted on 08/10/2002 6:56:00 AM PDT by pocat
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To: MedicalMess
See, I was right! My son experienced a few times, something like this in his Elementary School, (you know, when the kids are too little to know any better) let alone what the phrase "Invasion of Privacy" means. They're just little angelic innocents wanting to please their teacher. Man oh man, this burns me up! Nobody should be asking children to give out personal information about themselves or family. No one.

I thank you for sharing this with us, but man am I steamed!
14 posted on 08/12/2002 12:39:22 AM PDT by Lilly
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To: MedicalMess
WOE!!!
CAN I RETAIN YOU?
((((APPPLAUSE!!!))))

15 posted on 08/12/2002 12:49:07 AM PDT by Lilly
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To: Lil'freeper
If she is the typical El-ed major she won't be able to comprehend the heart of your argument but will react with anger and fear.

If she is the typical El-ed major she probably wouldn't understand most of the words over two syllables.

16 posted on 08/12/2002 2:41:16 PM PDT by Fintan
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To: Corin Stormhands
I also had the same assignment in the first grade. I remember drawing my dream bedroom with a big chandelier with bells on it that would chime when the wind blew. I even drew the wind.

17 posted on 08/12/2002 5:46:53 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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