Van Dam Case Witness Challenges Findings Of Defense 'Bug Expert': But...His Testimony Don't Add Up..

Union Tribune ^ | July 31, 2002 | Jeff Dillion

[UCANSEE2]

You are correct that the testimony is that it is not a common fiber.

So, what did it come from? Fibers don't appear out of thin air, do they ?

[Freedom2specul8]

Necklace link. *wrong link earlier*
http://community-2.webtv.net/westri/doc/scrapbookFiles/postedD65.jpg

[pinz-n-needlez]

Only if it helps the prosecution.

Just like fat drunk men can steal children in a house that never sleeps and get away with it.

Dusek said! /sarcasm

[UCANSEE2]

She would have bathed and washed her hair in the interim. The orange fiber was tangled within a tangle of her hair on the necklace.

What day did Danielle and Dylen and Brenda go to DW's to sell cookies?

When did Danielle take a bath?

[cyncooper]

So, what did it come from? Fibers don't appear out of thin air, do they ?

Only Westerfield knows for sure and he's not saying. But look for Dusek to argue that DW destroyed the source. From yesterday's hearing:

MR. DUSEK: 2.06 WOULD BE THE HIDING, DISPOSAL, GETTING RID OF, TRYING TO GET RID OF, THE BLOOD EVIDENCE ON THE JACKET, TAKING IT TO THE DRYCLEANER'S, TRYING TO CLEAN THAT UP. TAKING THE COMFORTER TO THE DRYCLEANER'S WHEN IT STILL HAD DOG HAIRS ON IT. THE MISSING COWBOY BOOTS THAT HE APPARENTLY WAS WEARING THAT NIGHT. THEY HAVE BEEN LOST, DESTROYED, CONCEALED. THE VICTIM'S PAJAMAS HAVE NEVER BEEN FOUND. THEY HAVE BEEN LOST, DESTROYED, CONCEALED. AND ALSO THE MATERIAL THAT CONTAINS THE BLUE AND ORANGE FIBERS, THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN FOUND OR LOCATED. I BELIEVE THEY'VE BEEN DESTROYED OR CONCEALED.

-SNIP-

[UCANSEE2]

The orange fiber was tangled within a tangle of her hair on the necklace.

WHICH SHE NEVER TOOK OFF. So, the orange fiber got tangled in her hair/choker when she was over at DW's selling GS cookies and running all over the house.

[Stiv]

"Blue-gray fibers found in greater number on the victim also matched fibers found in Westerfield's home, she said, noting that the evidence was indeed more conclusive when taken as a whole."

Like the fibers that might have been in the "Mystery Van" Damon got rid of after his desert ride with his high-school buddy to "put up fliers?"

Ummm.. why hasn't anyone checked to see if that van had those blue-gray fibers? Or has it been crushed and sold as junk metal?

[UCANSEE2]

why hasn't anyone checked to see if that van had those blue-gray fibers?

There is a common 'fiber' (had to make a PUN) to the participants in this thought pattern.

The POLICE, The DA, The DW is GUILTY no matter what crowd.

If the evidence doesn't pertain to showing DW Guilty, then they are not interested in it.

It is not a case of finding the TRUTH and punishing the guilty, it is a case of Punishing the one they picked to be GUILTY, regardless of the truth.

[FresnoDA]

Spec...I am following your lead..but my jaw is sore from gritting teeth....gggrrrrr....

[UCANSEE2]

That same crowd (not just here on FR, but nationwide) would SH*T a BR*CK were the same flimsy evidence, and shabby police procedures used to implicate/arrest/try them.

But it happens daily. Once you are in the 'system' you are screwed. The system has to 'devour' you to prove the system is OK.

As one poster said, "They police don't arrest you if you aren't guilty". And that is the way the system (and many people's minds) works.

[Spunky]

The orange(Acrylic) fiber found in van Dam's necklace, Shen testified, was everywhere in Westerfield's home. The witness told the court that it matched 20 to 30 fibers found in Westerfield's washer, 50 to 100 found on top of the washer, another 50 to 100 in his laundry, and 10 to 20 found in the bedding in his master bedroom.

Did they ever find the source of these orange acrylic fibers?

Is Westerfields carpet orange? Did they ever get Susan L., Danielle L., Neal, to say that Westerfield owned an orange acrylic blanket that he had in the home or the MH?

If my memory serves me right. NO! So where did these fibers come from?

Was Brenda VanDams top she wore that night orange,red acrylic? Did they ever test that top?

[cyncooper]

Like the fibers that might have been in the "Mystery Van" Damon got rid of after his desert ride with his high-school buddy to "put up fliers?"

Interestingly, last night I was reviewing Tanya Dulaney's testimony from July 9. I ran across a revelation she gave on cross-exam. She was not able to identify a source, but from my understanding of her testimony she says the blue fibers are NOT carpet fibers but could be apparel fibers.:

4 Q. DID YOU MAKE ANY EFFORTS TO DO THE RESEARCH TO5 DETERMINE SO YOU COULD TELL THE JURY HOW COMMON THE FIBER WAS?

6 A. WELL, I KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF NYLON THAT IS7 PRODUCED IN THE UNITED STATES IS CARPET, AND THAT ABOUT TEN TO8 18 PERCENT IS APPAREL. AND IF THIS IS AN APPAREL FIBER -- IT'S9 DEFINITELY NOT A CARPET FIBER. IF IT'S AN APPAREL FIBER, THEN10 IT COULD BE RELATIVELY COMMON, YES.

[Freedom2specul8]

bookmarked

[cyncooper]

Did they ever find the source of these orange acrylic fibers?

Did you see my #25?

Dusek is going to argue the obvious: That Westerfield destroyed the source of the orange and blue fibers.

[junkyarddawg]

Could the orange fibers have came from Brenda wearing an orange top the day they sold GS cookies there?

[Freedom2specul8]

That dern pesky closing statement

[UCANSEE2]

MR. DUSEK: 2.06 WOULD BE THE HIDING, DISPOSAL, GETTING RID OF, TRYING TO GET RID OF, THE BLOOD EVIDENCE ON THE JACKET, TAKING IT TO THE DRYCLEANER'S, TRYING TO CLEAN THAT UP. TAKING THE COMFORTER TO THE DRYCLEANER'S WHEN IT STILL HAD DOG HAIRS ON IT. THE MISSING COWBOY BOOTS THAT HE APPARENTLY WAS WEARING THAT NIGHT. THEY HAVE BEEN LOST, DESTROYED, CONCEALED. THE VICTIM'S PAJAMAS HAVE NEVER BEEN FOUND. THEY HAVE BEEN LOST, DESTROYED, CONCEALED. AND ALSO THE MATERIAL THAT CONTAINS THE BLUE AND ORANGE FIBERS, THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN FOUND OR LOCATED. I BELIEVE THEY'VE BEEN DESTROYED OR CONCEALED

Mr. Dusek is not a witness. He can speculate all he wants and it means nothing.

As VRWC_minion would say, a negative proves nothing.

THE MISSING COWBOY BOOTS.

THE VICTIM'S PAJAMAS.

THE MATERIAL THAT CONTAINS THE BLUE AND ORANGE FIBERS.

And tell DUSEK while he's at it I had a BREIFCASE with a MILLION DOLLARS in it I left at the VD's and I want it back.

[pinz-n-needlez]

We could probably help him out with the missing pj's. Didn't Grandma hold them up at one of the early press conferences?

[UCANSEE2]

the missing pj's. Didn't Grandma hold them up at one of the early press conferences?

Yeah, and grandma got in trouble with Damon for doing so. You want Damon to get mad at you, keep mentioning the missing PJ's weren't really missing.

[Freedom2specul8]

Those were danielle's best friends pj's..