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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: carton253
And that is why Smeagol rules!!!!!
2,801 posted on 04/18/2002 1:07:06 PM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
Smeagol is going to be attacked by either a fuel-air explosion, or a psychotic bunny with a switchblade. I'm having Smeagol-nuggets with my dragon steak tonight!
2,802 posted on 04/18/2002 1:11:22 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Silly Hobbit! Smeagol is too thin to be tasty. Try orc, Smeagol likes very, very much.
2,803 posted on 04/18/2002 1:28:56 PM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
Silly Smeagol, Hobbits don't eat Orcs. Orcs are much too big and fierce for Hobbits to kill and cook. Smeagol is nice and lean and just right.

Oh, all right, but if you are a bad Smeagol again, you watch out... Or else I should put on the Precious; and the Precious mastered you long ago. If I, wearing it, were to command you, you would obey, even if it were to leap from a precipice or to cast yourself into the fire. And such would be my command. So have a care, Sméagol!

2,804 posted on 04/18/2002 1:40:30 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
remember who killed Smaug? Bard the Bowman!

Let's see...and who killed Glaurung when he attacked the Elf fortress Nargothrond? Turin! Bard the Bowman and Turin are both "Weak Men." It seems the Elves can't deal with dragons themselves.

2,805 posted on 04/18/2002 2:17:48 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
How many dragons did the Elves kill at Gondolin, huh? Most of 'em, anyway, it was the Balrogs that did that city in. Anyway, Turin was a Hero and therefore the laws of reality do not apply to him, and Bard was Destined to kill Smaug, obviously, since he's rightful king of Dale.
2,806 posted on 04/18/2002 2:23:05 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
it was the Balrogs that did that city in.

So the Elves couldn't save their city from Balrogs and now you're ragging on the Dwarves who couldn't save Khazad Dum from Balrogs either. That hardly seems fair!

Turin got rid of the main Dragon for them...what else do they want? :)

2,807 posted on 04/18/2002 2:37:26 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Elves fled their city when attacked by multiple Balrogs, Dragons, and hordes of Orcs. Plus, Maeglin showed the bad guys the way in. Dwarves fled from.... one Balrog. Heck, there have been Elves who defeated Balrogs in single combat! True, they all died themselves doing it, but the point is, Elves are much cooler than Dwarves.
2,808 posted on 04/18/2002 2:53:38 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Even around "flaming" Balrogs? Hehehehe.
2,809 posted on 04/18/2002 2:58:54 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
I'd like to have seen Legolas (aka Mr. Ginsu) take on the Balrog in single combat. Didn't he drop his bow at the site of it?
2,810 posted on 04/18/2002 3:00:56 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Legolas couldn't take on a Balrog.... only High Elves of terrible power can do that. Like Glorfindel; he fought one at Gondolin and died. And Echthelion of the Fountain, same thing.
2,811 posted on 04/18/2002 3:18:20 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
Calling all Dwarves!

My axe and I have arrived.

2,812 posted on 04/18/2002 3:22:54 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Do not listen to her, for she is trying to incite yet another Dwarf-Elf squabble. Everyone knows those things always turn out badly for the Dwarves....
2,813 posted on 04/18/2002 3:37:17 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB; Overtaxed
Everyone knows those things always turn out badly for the Dwarves....

Well I'll just have to ask you to mind yer tongue when you speak of my brethren.

2,814 posted on 04/18/2002 3:39:29 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I'm stating historical fact! When the Dwarves killed King Thingol in his own throne room, they were hunted down and destroyed by Beren. When Mim the Petty-Dwarf betrayed Turin and the Elf-band he led to Morgoth, he died miserably. I have nothing against your people - but like Bilbo, if I must die in battle I would die with the Elves.
2,815 posted on 04/18/2002 3:42:06 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
I would that none of us have to die today miss.
2,816 posted on 04/18/2002 3:47:00 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
Legolas couldn't take on a Balrog.... only High Elves

So Legolas is from the wrong side of the ocean?

2,817 posted on 04/18/2002 3:53:27 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
More Elf propaganda. Never trust an Elf!
2,818 posted on 04/18/2002 3:54:50 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
It's not Elf propoganda, it's actual factual truth, from the pen of Tolkien himself!
2,819 posted on 04/18/2002 4:09:38 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Tolien was only a translator of historical texts. And who wrote the texts? Elves!
2,820 posted on 04/18/2002 4:12:47 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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