Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
So which "handed" is he? - Which one counts, the bow hand or the string hand?
:)
Then again, high school was a very, VERY long time ago, and it's not like I knew what I was doing in archery class....anyone else know?
Legolas, then, is doing it right. and is opposite-handed whatever Aragorn is.
It's not the size of the arrow, it's the power of the bowman. To coin a phrase...LOL
Typical loose is mediterranian style, index finger above arrow nock with middle and ring fingers below. There are a several other ways to loose the arrow, three fingers under arrow nock is common. Exceptions include those using a thumb ring, korean and turkish archers used this style, only the thumb to pull the string.
Generally arrow length is one inch plus draw length. Depends on physical measurements of the archer. The typical adult male archer has a draw length of 26-28 inches. If the draw and arrow length and bow are matched to the archer, the back of the arrowhead would just touch the index finger of the hand holding the bow. Longer arrows can be used and reasonably could be when there were lots of archers shooting lots of arrows, they would have them long enough that all could be used. The archer has an "anchor point" where the hand is touching a particular spot each time, corner of the mouth is typical. Gets a lot more involved but thats the high points. Some of the publicity shots were absymal but the movie and those above were spot on. dvp
So tell me, is this double arrow maneuver shown below ever really done?
I am going to have to watch the film again I think, to see if he switches hands alot....
... and if that is your tendency tonight, I am surprised you didn't pick up on my earlier post where I said I was looking for pictures of Aragorn where his quiver is showing ;~D
I will refrain from joining in the discussion of, uh, weaponry that you and Samwise are engaging in. I'm afraid I just don't know what the two of you are talking about. ;-)
This naughty (and sometimes dense) Hobbit needs to turn in for the night. Have fun, ladies! Catcha later.
When Sauron surrendered to Ar-Pharazon and was taken prisoner to Numenor, did he take the Ring with him? If he did it seems unlikely that the King would allow him to retain such a powerful artifact. (He wanted to control the entire world, and it certainly would have come in handy when he invaded Valinor!) Also, when Numenor was destroyed his body went down into the chasm with it. Only his spirit survived. If he couldn't save his body, it seems unlikely he would have the power to transport any material object like the Ring.
However, if he left the Ring in Middle Earth, somebody had to be in charge of it for the 57 years Sauron was in Numenor. But who could Sauron trust to this extent? If the Ring was left with someone of little power who would be unable to wield it, then someone of greater power would be able to take it away from him. If it was left with someone of potency (to continue the banter above), then the Ring would surely tempt him to grab for supreme power.
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