Posted on 09/23/2025 1:42:07 PM PDT by Beowulf9
The Rapture is upon us, according to TikTokers, some of whom have latched on to a prediction that on Tuesday, Sept. 23 — today — Jesus Christ will return to Earth and take true believers to Heaven.
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There was no 1 Thessalonians 4:17 until the 15th. century when the Bible was broken up into chapters and verses, therefor it is not an argument. The whole book of 1st. Thess was written for the church at that time, not some future event that doesn’t exist.
Thank you for your post! I am so excited there are two threads on this topic. When Jesus states “no man knows the hour or the day” He is absolutely referring to the 1st day of Tisri - his audience knew it, and all Jews know what it means (but they don’t listen to Jesus). Christian ministers and priests have been fumbling this line and giving their manmade interpretations for 2000 years. It is God’s prophetic calender, we should pay attention to it.
Here is Michael Rood explaining what Jews do in preparation for the Feast of Trumpets every year, what it means, about 26 minutes:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qobPeNC-aR4&pp=QAFIBNIHCQkbAaO1ajebQw%3D%3D
IMO there is high cause to believe Jesus will return on 1 Tisri (after many more events unfold).
I can understand why someone might think that, but that interpretation is not consistent with the context of 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 which is expressly speaking about Jesus' "coming". (His "coming" is mentioned four times in 1 Thessalonians.)
This is part of Jesus High Priestly prayer
For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.Revelation 22:18-19.
This is not just the Lord being mysterious, it's an expression of His mercy. The way a Christian is to behave is the same regardless of when Christ returns, and knowing when would make that impossible.
Exactly.
I have a friend who is a conservative but believes in it utterly.
To me it seems so obviously false. Started in 1830 give me a break.
Not supposed to add to the Bible.
False.
King James Bible 1Thessalonians 4:17
“Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
Clearly there is a Rapture. When this event occurs is the great theological debate. Just my view, it is as the Lord is returning as King of Kings with the whole heavenly host, and the raptured remnant is a very tiny group of believers and the last converted evangelist Jews. And I believe this is most likely to be on 1 Tisri in some year.
2 Timothy 4:8
New King James Version
8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.
I am never discouraged. I am ALWAYS looking for His appearing. God’s time and not my own. I trust in Him alone. Whether through rapture or death, I KNOW where my eternity lies. I am not afraid. I know that My Redeemer lives.
Man plans. God laughs. Looking up! Always!
Only Nit-Wits believe anything on CHI-COM oh... I mean tic-tok
Both Dispensationalism and the Rapture are modernist BS, which no mainstream Christian denomination believed in prior to the early 19th century, but which many Freepers have sadly latched on to.
It literally says “ at the last trumpet”
I’d sure be happy to miss the tribulation stuff but it’s just not biblical.
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1 Corinthians 15:50-53, the apostle Paul explains a little bit more…
He says, “But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!
52 It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, •when the last trumpet is blown•. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed.
53 For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies.”
Okay.
That was funny.
/Cibola! Bumpty-bump!
I thought Harold Camping died a few years ago.
Tik Tok has some advice? God has some advice also: No man knows the day, nor the hour.
HISTORY OF FALSE PROPHETS AMONG OUR CHRISTIAN BROTHERS
In every generation after the apostles, there have been Christians who mistakenly believed that they were in the last days. They have thought that their generation was the one Jesus spoke of when He prophesied that “all these things” would happen in “this generation.” Failed prognosticators have been a persistent embarrassment to Christianity. Perhaps there is something fundamentally wrong with these predictions.
Francis Gumerlock, in his book THE DAY AND THE HOUR: CHRISTIANITY’S PERENNIAL FASCINATION WITH PREDICTING THE END OF THE WORLD, lists end times prophecy predictions made by Christians beginning in the early centuries. He catalogs more than a thousand failed predictions since the early days of Christianity, beginning with the apostolic fathers.
For example, Ignatius writes around the year AD 100 that “the last times are come upon us.” Cyprian (200-258) writes that “the day of affliction has begun to hang over our heads, and the end of the world and the time of the Antichrist. . . draw near, so that we must all stand prepared for the battle.”
Martin Luther (1483-1546) made this statement: “I am satisfied that the last day must be before the door; for the signs predicted by Christ and the Apostles Peter and Paul have now all been fulfilled, the trees put forth, the Scriptures are green and flourishing. . . . We certainly have nothing now to wait for but the end of all things.”
Famous among predictors of the end of the world was Christopher Columbus (1452-1506). Columbus wrote a book entitled BOOK OF PROPHECIES in which he called on many of the same passages of Scripture that false prophets cite today to predict the imminent end of the world. He apparently thought that his discoveries marked the beginning of the end.
The famous American Puritan preacher Cotton Mather (1663-1728) believed Christ’s return to be imminent and saw apocalyptic meaning in the conflicts and challenges of the American frontier. Mather was also a date setter. He predicted the Second Coming for 1697, then 1716, and finally 1736. The New Jerusalem, he believed, would be located in New England.
Here are more examples of end-times dating from Christians as well as pseudo-Christian cultists:
―William Miller (founder of Adventism): 1843/1844
—Ellen G. White (co-founder—Seventh Day Adventist Church): 1843, 1844, 1850, 1856.
—Joseph Smith (founder—Mormon Church): 1891.
—Jehovah’s Witnesses: 1874, 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975, and 1984.
—Hal Lindsey: 1982, 1988, 2007, with contingency dates going as far as 2048.
—Jack Van Impe: 1975, 1980, 1992, 2000, 2012. Also, in May of 1991 he said the Anti-Christ would be revealed and the Great Tribulation would begin within 20 months.
—Chuck Smith (founder of Calvary Chapel): 1981, 1988
―Herbert W. Armstrong: 1965
—Pat Robertson: 1982.
—Edgar C. Whisenant: 1988, 1989.
—Bill Maupin: 1981.
—J.R. Church: 1988.
—Charles R. Taylor: 1992.
—Benny Hinn: 1993.
—F. M. Riley: 1994.
—John Hinkle: 1994.
—Grant R. Jeffrey: 2000.
—Lester Sumrall: 1985, 1986, 2000.
—Kenneth Hagin: 1997 to 2000.
—Jerry Falwell: 2010.
—Louis Farrakhan: 1991.
―John Walvoord: before he died (He died in 2002.)
—John Hagee (at age 71): before he dies.
—Harold Camping: 1994, 2011.
—Ronald Weinland: 2011, 2012.
—Perry Stone: 2009-2015
—Billy Graham: Even this venerable preacher began telling us in the 1940’s to expect the soon return of Christ.
Pastors all across America’s fruited plains have books of some of these authors proudly displayed in their office libraries. The same books, and videos too, fly off Christian bookstore shelves, and the money continues to flow to these authors and many others of the same ilk. While some of these authors may be good teachers on other subjects, their false predictions force us to doubt their views on eschatology. Many of the above people will be forgotten, but whenever you happen to be reading this book, you will probably be hearing from a new generation of false teachers.
All of these prognosticators had something in common: They all thought they knew better than Jesus, who over and over told his followers that his prophecies would come to pass while some of them were still alive (Matthew 10:23; 16:27-28; 26:64; Luke 21:22, 32; Hebrews 10:37; Revelation 1:1-3; 22:5-20; etc.) There are over 100 such time statements in the New Testament that limit fulfillment of prophecy to the first century.
Maybe Christians should stop “newspaper eschatology” and read their Bible―and believe it.
Source: https://prophecyquestions.com/history-of-false-prophets-among-our-christian-brothers/
I can’t get past a •second • Second Coming.
“ At the last trumpet” is pretty clear to me.
Where in the Bible, does it say we are supposed to predict these thing? It seems like the Bible says the exact opposite.
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