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1 posted on 09/16/2025 5:20:06 PM PDT by DoodleBob
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WTF is hate speech?


2 posted on 09/16/2025 5:27:09 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Wake up, smell the cat food in your bank account. )
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Good article. Thanks for posting.


3 posted on 09/16/2025 5:30:53 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Right_In_Virginia’s 84% Plausibly Anti-Semitic posts put him at #1! Any challengers?)
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To: DoodleBob

The Courts have ruled that the Constitution does not apply to your personal space. You are allowed to have whatever unconstitutional rules you want within your space.


4 posted on 09/16/2025 5:34:34 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Pornography feeds abortion. Abortion is Satan's ultimate effort to hurt God. )
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Unfortunately hate speech legal, serious threats of harm or death are ALREADY illegal...


5 posted on 09/16/2025 5:35:12 PM PDT by Openurmind (AI - An Illusion for Aptitude Intrusion to Alter Intellect. )
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To: DoodleBob
The 8-0 1964 New York Times Co. v Sullivan decision was disgraceful.
8 posted on 09/16/2025 5:42:35 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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I’ve always heard it expressed as the right to wave your fist around ends at the tip of my nose.

CC


10 posted on 09/16/2025 5:44:18 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (*This is a test of the emergency tagline system. This is only a test*)
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Free speech, including “hate” speech, has absolute protection when you’re referring to disfavored groups (e.g., straight white males, Jews, etc.). However, when you’re referring to sanctified groups (e.g., Blacks), no derogatory speech is permitted.


12 posted on 09/16/2025 5:44:30 PM PDT by RAldrich
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Inciting violence. For example, the sort of language that leads directly to an act of vigilantism. After all, a lone assassin is basically a lynch party of one.
If you whip up a crowd to lynch someone, is that not a crime?

If so, it doesn’t depend on the length of time, as much as on how direct the line between the speech and the action (whether intended, or even unintended — as in “negligent” homicide).


13 posted on 09/16/2025 5:46:53 PM PDT by Buttons12 ( )
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What’s to stop anyone from yelling “FIRE!” in a crowded theater?


14 posted on 09/16/2025 5:53:38 PM PDT by gdzla (Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo)
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I’ve spent my entire life listening to people that hate me.
They have the right to say what they want,
I should have the same right to speak about them.
As far as Federal law is concerned I can say “Nigger”
and White trash, or “Whitey”.
Local communities have different rules.
Freedom of speech means exactly that!
I can call a Moslem a Godless POS
They can call me an infidel.
Our Constitution allows us to speak
openly and share our views.
Regardless of how we may object to those views.


16 posted on 09/16/2025 5:56:24 PM PDT by rellic (No such thing as a moderate Moslem or Democrat )
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To: DoodleBob

Hate speech yes, threats no!


19 posted on 09/16/2025 6:02:08 PM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US;-))
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To: DoodleBob

No - can’t yell fire in a crowded theater or any other public building with no fire happening. As one example.


25 posted on 09/16/2025 6:29:11 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Am Yisrael Chai ~)
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The first amendment was not created to protect popular speech. So yes you can say any hateful thing you want but there may be consequences. Like your employer may not want you working for them or your church may not want you teaching Sunday school anymore. Etc.


26 posted on 09/16/2025 6:37:17 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: DoodleBob; Uncle Miltie; Antihero101607; conservatism_IS_compassion; frank ballenger; RAldrich; ...
Great article.

My source has always been Leonard W. Levy’s book Origins of the Bill of Rights, but I put a copy in the book. My only problem has been after discussing freedom of the press he says,” In the following year, 1805, the state legislature enacted a bill that allowed the jury to decide the criminality of an alleged libel and that permitted truth as a defense, if published “with good motives and justifiable ends.” That standard, which prevailed in the United States until 1964, effectively protected freedom of the press.

So what happened in the last 60 years?

32 posted on 09/16/2025 7:50:06 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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Hillary Clinton called half the nation’s populace “detestable”, uneducated, and not worthy of voting,, at all.
There was a tsunami of chuckles from Democrats, but no calling her to answer for her comments

So, I am convinced that anything said by anybody, is free speech, with no handicaps, and the speaker understand FAFO!


33 posted on 09/16/2025 8:21:28 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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The 1st Amendment is first for a reason. The 2nd was added to back up the 1st. Anyone trying to water down those rights I consider my enemy. I thought it was only the Left pushing this sort of bs but apparently not. Having free speech is at the core of what this country is about. Maybe I getter start voting Libertarian. The Republican Party has become worthless.


34 posted on 09/16/2025 8:42:21 PM PDT by jimwatx
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Hate speech vs direct threats. Legal apples & oranges.


35 posted on 09/16/2025 8:45:44 PM PDT by citizen (A transgender male competing against women may be male, but he's no man.)
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First of all, the concept of “Hate Speech” is anathema to the 1st Amendment. Threats to do actual physical violence is a different mater.


37 posted on 09/16/2025 9:13:01 PM PDT by arthurus (l| covfeve |l .)
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No. The First Amendment guarantees that you can SPEAK out against the government without repercussions. It also bars government from establishing or controlling religion. That is all, that is enough.


44 posted on 09/17/2025 5:23:27 AM PDT by GingisK
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