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Has Trump been held hostage?
FR ^ | July 11 | RF

Posted on 07/11/2025 12:55:26 AM PDT by RandFan

I honestly think to get the OBBB passed he's had to give up certain positions.

How else do you explain it?

The endorsement of Lindsey Graham, too? The resumption of aid to Ukraine?

It's all very odd and timely.

I think Trump has (had) a lot invested in getting OBBB done.

Think about it. It was his signature bill. They held it hostage and now you see why...

There is (was) a lot at stake.


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To: Stepan12

“Economically, Rand Paul was correct in holding up this bill.”


That can be debated, but I won’t bother.

What I will say is that Rand knew the Senate would not pass a bill that would please him, and he knew that holding up the bill as it was would result in it being passed after the swamp was able to make it worse and blackmail Trump in exchange for their votes.

If Rand had voted for the very necessary bill that would have been one less deal Trump had to make to get it passed.
Rand got nothing and made it so the swamp got more of what it wanted.


21 posted on 07/11/2025 3:51:05 AM PDT by Farcesensitive (Epstein didn't kill himself)
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To: Farcesensitive

“ Rand got nothing and made it so the swamp got more of what it wanted.”

Why do people love to turn on Trump? They glom onto these lame, obstructionist senators and dump on Trump

It’s sick


22 posted on 07/11/2025 3:57:19 AM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: GizzyGirl

“Would he have traded Epstein list?”

Considering the timing, it could make sense.


23 posted on 07/11/2025 4:00:46 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (It's hard not to celebrate the fall of bad people. - Bongino)
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To: stanne

Incorrect he does need the Voters as if he expects his legacy to continue then yes he needs us...No Vance, No oldest Son...they all will be out...All gone like a fart in the wind...


24 posted on 07/11/2025 4:04:37 AM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: stanne

“Why do people love to turn on Trump?”

“Turning on” Trump might be too harsh. Just because we don’t agree with him on some things means we’re not sheeple who blindly follow him no matter what.

When he was touting the clot shot in 2020, and most of us said, “There ain’t no way”, we didn’t turn on him. We simply disagreed.


25 posted on 07/11/2025 4:09:04 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (It's hard not to celebrate the fall of bad people. - Bongino)
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To: dpetty121263

You miss the point

People think like the media wants them to think. They have a 24 hr show to run x like 10 plus podcasters

This isn’t the six o’clock news

This is not a never ending campaign that’s been going on since the Clinton’s moved in. That’s over

The uniparty is no more

Trump will not do a lot of Trump then hand it over for AOC

Nor is he campaigning for JD or anyone in the cabinet or senate

He is not going to forget he really needs the voters He simply is working for them. He’s not a politician who gets in and forgets the voters. He doesn’t need our minute to minute approval nor does it rattle him when they bad mouth him and lose faith after a few short months

He knows people will be very happy when he’s done.

He knows as an executive how to work for people but ignore their every wish then come back to them with the finished product they hired him to create.

Not needing our minute to minute or month to month approval does not mean he ignores the job we hired him to do. He’s doing it

People ought to think like executives for a second and trust him. Certainly over these senators.


26 posted on 07/11/2025 4:16:32 AM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: MayflowerMadam

“ When he was touting the clot shot in 2020, and most of us said, “There ain’t no way”, we didn’t turn on him. We simply disagreed.

What are you talking about?

This is about trumps actions in the past week

What are you talking about?

This is like a leftist silly Rama lately.


27 posted on 07/11/2025 4:18:52 AM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: RandFan

Wrong that wasn’t his motive and you know it
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Alrighty then, what was Rand Paul’s motive in the way he acted?


28 posted on 07/11/2025 4:22:04 AM PDT by yldstrk
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To: RandFan

Maybe the epstein files were the cost of getting his bbb?!?!


29 posted on 07/11/2025 4:23:27 AM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than saving to WORK of !US:-)p)
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To: Theophilus

Morally, Rand opposed the bill, an evil, enslaving, unforced error.
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Rand should have been a positive instead of a negative. Rand should have rounded up a bunch of people to amend the bill in a positive way instead of acting like a two year old having a tantrum.


30 posted on 07/11/2025 4:24:11 AM PDT by yldstrk
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To: RandFan

Susie wiles and our grEAteSt aLLy


31 posted on 07/11/2025 4:25:27 AM PDT by Captainpaintball (America needs a Conservative DICTATOR if it hopes to survive. )
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To: stanne

Well protecting evil doers is not a winning solution as in the end doing right will override that...My Media is the Bible...not these talking heads.


32 posted on 07/11/2025 4:45:10 AM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: RandFan

Brer Fox done throwed Brer Rabbit in de briar patch.


33 posted on 07/11/2025 4:46:32 AM PDT by EandH Dad (sleeping giants wake up REALLY grumpy)
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To: dpetty121263

“ Well protecting evil doers is not a winning solution as in the end doing right will override that”

I have no idea what your point is here. So we’re done here


34 posted on 07/11/2025 4:54:19 AM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: RandFan

For those that still believe…God is in control, everything that happens, happens because of HIM on His schedule for His reasons and on His timing. Trust in God and put aside your fears and worries, wonder and speculate no more on events that are out of your control. Prayer, faith and the grace of God is enough. In Jesus name we pray.


35 posted on 07/11/2025 5:01:53 AM PDT by The Louiswu (USA FIRST...USA FOREVER)
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To: RandFan

While I think the Epstein deal needs a lot of attention - I won’t leave Trump because of it - in politics, a lot of dirty deals get made - but President Trump is still doing what most of us voted for him to do - if we don’t get the Epstein folks, God will.

If anyone is using this to dump Trump, they’re idiots.


36 posted on 07/11/2025 5:40:15 AM PDT by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
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To: RandFan

Trump is neither king nor dictator. He is the “Art of the Deal”. That is how government works in a two party Republic.


37 posted on 07/11/2025 5:55:29 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: RandFan

What’s happened to Rand?

What about “Audit the Fed”?

What about “Audit Fort Knox”?

Nothing adds up. He knew Graham would push about Ukraine and he did nothing. He’s a huge disappointment and if he thinks opposing the bill will get him elected President he couldn’t be more wrong.....


38 posted on 07/11/2025 5:56:07 AM PDT by browniexyz
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To: RandFan

>> How else do you explain it?

You mean, how do I explain your silly unsupported vanity post?

Easy, I just chalk it up to calcified libtardism. It’s of a piece with all your other lib-tarded TDS posting.


39 posted on 07/11/2025 5:59:35 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Hope, as a righteous product of properly aligned Faith, IS in fact a strategy.)
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To: Farcesensitive

>> Rand got nothing and made it so the swamp got more of what it wanted.

EXCELLENT point, well stated. Thank you.


40 posted on 07/11/2025 6:02:56 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Hope, as a righteous product of properly aligned Faith, IS in fact a strategy.)
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