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Scientists Find “Up to a 40% Chance” Theoretical ‘Planet Nine’ Exists Given the Correct Conditions
The Debrief ^ | May 28, 2025 | Christopher Plain

Posted on 05/29/2025 11:45:00 AM PDT by Red Badger

Scientists modeling planetary system formation scenarios say there could be a 40% chance that a hypothetical ‘Planet Nine’, believed by many to lurk at the outer reaches of the Sun’s orbit, could exist.

The study, conducted by researchers at Rice University, also suggests most of these planets don’t end up captured by their host star’s gravity but instead get ejected from the star’s orbit altogether and spend the rest of their lives roaming the galaxy as “rogue planets.”

“Our simulations show that if the early solar system underwent two specific instability phases—the growth of Uranus and Neptune and the later scattering among gas giants—there is up to a 40% chance that a Planet Nine-like object could have been trapped during that time,” said André Izidoro, assistant professor of Earth, environmental and planetary sciences at Rice and the study’s lead author.

Theoretical Planet Nine One of Many “Pinballs in a Cosmic Arcade”

Most stellar planetary system formation models restrict planets’ orbits within the system’s final version to a specific range. However, several unexplained gravitational readings in our solar system have suggested the presence of an undiscovered ninth planet orbiting well outside of this range. Known as ‘Planet Nine’ by advocates for its existence, the theoretical space body belongs to a broader group called wide-orbit planets that are considered rare, in cosmic terms.

In their new study, the Rice University team modeled several distinct scenarios that could result in a planet orbiting well beyond the planetary formation disc. The same research also evaluated several more scenarios in which such planets are ejected from the system completely.

According to a statement announcing the study’s findings, the researchers ran thousands of computer simulations of various multi-planet systems “embedded in realistic star cluster environments.” To increase the accuracy of the models, the team tried several alternative permutations, including systems that feature a mix of gas and ice giants like our solar system and binary systems featuring planets with two suns like Luke Skywalker’s fictional home, Tatooine, in Star Wars.

After comparing the thousands of models, the team found a recurring pattern. When a newly forming star system experienced certain internal instabilities, planets formed within the disc could be pushed to extreme distances. In some cases, such as the theoretical Planet Nine scenario, the gravitational influence of nearby stars in the modeled cluster helps to stabilize the ejected planet in an orbit between 100 and 10,000 Astronomical Units (AUs). This distance is considered relevant since unusual readings from distant Trans-Neptunian Objects (TNOs) seem to place the likely orbit of Planet Nine somewhere between 250 and 1,000 AU.

“When these gravitational kicks happen at just the right moment, a planet’s orbit becomes decoupled from the inner planetary system,” explained study co-author Nathan Kaib, senior scientist and senior education and communication specialist at the Planetary Science Institute. “This creates a wide-orbit planet — one that’s essentially frozen in place after the cluster disperses.”

“Essentially, we’re watching pinballs in a cosmic arcade,” added André Izidoro, assistant professor of Earth, environmental, and planetary sciences at Rice and the study’s lead author. “When giant planets scatter each other through gravitational interactions, some are flung far away from their star. If the timing and surrounding environment are just right, those planets don’t get ejected, but rather they get trapped in extremely wide orbits.”

Ejected Planets More Likely to Go Rogue

While the study supports proponents of the theoretical Planet Nine, it also found that the majority of planets ejected during a stellar system’s formation would escape their host star’s gravitational pull. These difficult-to-detect space bodies end up wandering the cosmos as rogue planets.

“Not every scattered planet is lucky enough to get trapped,” Kaib explained. “Most end up being flung into interstellar space.”

An image showing the location of 115 potential rogue exoplanets in Upper Scorpius and Ophiucus. These are from a wider batch of orphan worlds, of which 70 the team confirmed as star-less planets, N. Risinger/ESO.

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Still, the Rice researcher noted that understanding what percentage of these planets end up in orbit and how many go rogue “gives us a connection between the planets we see on wide orbits and those we find wandering alone in the galaxy.” Known as “trapping efficiency,” the measurement lets the researchers assign a level of probability that each type of simulated planetary system has a Planet Nine of its own.

Surprisingly, the team found that systems like ours had trapping probabilities ranging between 5 and 10%. As previously noted, they also found that when these types of systems experience certain instabilities during their formation, those chances can increase to as much as 40%. The rate of wide-orbit planets was markedly lower in other system types, including lower efficiency systems like those with only ice giants or circumbinary planets.

“We expect roughly one wide-orbit planet for every thousand stars,” Izidoro said. “That may seem small, but across billions of stars in the galaxy, it adds up.”

Christopher Plain is a Science Fiction and Fantasy novelist and Head Science Writer at The Debrief. Follow and connect with him on X, learn about his books at plainfiction.com, or email him directly at christopher@thedebrief.org.


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To: Red Badger
250 to 1000 AU?

By way of comparison, Neptune's orbit is about 30 AU from the sun.

21 posted on 05/29/2025 12:59:15 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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...“Up to a 40% Chance” Theoretical ‘Planet Nine’ Exists...

...or a 100% chance that up to 40% of 'Planet Nine' exists (in one form or another), and a 50/50 chance the author 'gets lucky' this weekend...

;^)

22 posted on 05/29/2025 1:01:24 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: monkeyshine

There are probably many ‘rogue’ planets not attached to a particular star. Just wandering around the galaxy like any other debris leftover from novas and supernovas.

That’s the premise for the novel and movie “When Worlds Collide”..............That is one movie I’d like to see re-made with modern technology!................


23 posted on 05/29/2025 1:07:20 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

I would think that, eventually, they would get pulled into a solar system at some point. Maybe I’m wrong. But if they did that’s definitely when “worlds collide”. Would kinda suck if a rogue planet tried to cut in line between earth and Venus.


24 posted on 05/29/2025 1:14:41 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: monkeyshine

That’s what happened in the book and movie.

The earth was ejected from the solar system nd the new planet took its place. A small cadre of scientists was able to make ‘The Leap’ to the new planet in a rocket ship and so were others from other countries................


25 posted on 05/29/2025 1:18:06 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: yesthatjallen

“They can find exoplanets near stars light year away by virtue of dimming but they can’t find a planet on the edge of our solar system.”

Different problems. Exoplanets are, from our perspective, really close to the host star. So we know where to look. If planet 9 exists, it could be anywhere in a 360 degree circle from our perspective. And that’s assuming it orbits in the ecliptic. If it is a captured planet, it could be anywhere in the sphere around the earth.

The best data I have seen hints that we might have another planet by looking at dwarf planets that have weird orbits that might be explained by the gravitational influence of another planet way out there. That data doesn’t really point to where in the 360 degrees it might be.

This study is just a simulation based on theories about solar system formation. Kind of like the global warming simulations of earth’s future temperatures. Except the global warming models at least have some past data to model.


26 posted on 05/29/2025 1:18:26 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Red Badger

Hmm… how did it get land, drinkable water and a breathable atmosphere and all that?


27 posted on 05/29/2025 1:19:54 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Red Badger

Did they call the ship “Noah’s Ark”?


28 posted on 05/29/2025 1:20:37 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Red Badger

Light years away OH never mind.


29 posted on 05/29/2025 1:25:35 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: monkeyshine

I think it was just called 'Space Ark'....................

30 posted on 05/29/2025 1:26:20 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: monkeyshine

AI told me “The Space Ark rocket in the 1951 film “When Worlds Collide” is named Pegasus.”


31 posted on 05/29/2025 1:27:12 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: ModelBreaker

Yeah, “science”.


32 posted on 05/29/2025 2:11:30 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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33 posted on 05/29/2025 5:19:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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To: monkeyshine

It came with one that had been frozen solid in deep space.

And it has been inhabited by a civilization before it was ejected from its own Sun. They knew they were going to be. There was even food left in storage facilities. Some was edible and the humans did. The sky was GREEN, but the humans didn’t know why until they awoke one morning to a green snowfall that was algae that produced Hydrogen and caused it to float. It was also edible........


34 posted on 05/29/2025 5:41:19 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: monkeyshine
the way Neptune and Uranus are thought to swap proximities from the sun

They don't. Neptune's perihelion is still 900 million miles greater than Uranus's aphelion.

You might be thinking of Neptune and Pluto. From 1979 to 1999, Pluto was closer to the sun than was Neptune. Neptune's orbit is very close to circular, while Pluto's orbit is much more eccentric.

35 posted on 05/29/2025 5:59:51 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Yes after I posted I realized I meant Pluto. But figured someone would correct me 🤪


36 posted on 05/29/2025 7:07:25 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: monkeyshine

FR’s always good for that. :-)


37 posted on 05/29/2025 7:45:42 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Red Badger

40% of unknown, is still unknown.


38 posted on 05/30/2025 12:17:36 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

But it’s known unknown.......................😁


39 posted on 05/30/2025 5:10:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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