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Every time I start to think American Thinker is a real conservative site they publish a piece of trash like this sycophantic pack of dishonesty. I wonder how much "M. Walter" got paid to shill this load of crap. Teslas are no differenct than other EVs in that they have a battery that loses capacity every time you use it and slowly loses capacity even if you don[t use it. Their depreciation curve resembles the face of half dome. Their range is like all other EVs calculated under absolutely ideal conditions with no parasitic load on the battery (like heating and cooling) They take a long time to charge. AND their charging time is totally dependent on having a lot of available power a 75kwh battery being charged at 50 kilowatts takes at least 1.5 hours even if you don't allow for the charging loss. American Thinker's editors should be ashamed of themselves for publishing such a dishonest infomercial as as an article rather than label it advertising.
1 posted on 03/25/2025 1:06:48 PM PDT by from occupied ga
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2 posted on 03/25/2025 1:14:18 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Nobody elected Elon Musk? Well nobody elected the Deep State either.)
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Truth!


3 posted on 03/25/2025 1:17:46 PM PDT by BuchananBrigadeTrumpFan (If in doubt, it's probably sarcasm)
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In their defense, they have a point.

I will give you that EVs have major issues. That being said, Teslas are at the top of the crap heap.

My neighbor across the street has both the electric version of the Mustang and the Lightning pick up truck. I drove in the Mustang. It felt...weird. It feels like a retrofit.

I recently got to drive a Tesla for a day. While not for me, I can see the appeal. The tech is much more integrated into the car. It was an EV from the ground up.


5 posted on 03/25/2025 1:20:05 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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The elephant in the room is, Battery technology just isn’t “There” yet. Even if we had the batteries our electrical infrastructure could not charge it.
Politics cannot mandate changes in Laws of physics!
The state I spend a lot of time in, Hawaii, Gas cars are way cheaper to operate then EV’s.
Let the “Market” determine our needs, not some Democrat legislators.


6 posted on 03/25/2025 1:24:57 PM PDT by rellic (No such thing as a moderate Moslem or Democrat )
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How much did you get paid to post that? sycophantic pack of dishonesty


8 posted on 03/25/2025 1:43:16 PM PDT by TexasGator ('111111111/)
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The concept of using an electric motor, or a combination of electric motors, to provide traction to the road, is an elegant and efficient way to convert electrical energy into propelling road vehicles. The problem comes from the immediate source of the electricity. Is it derived from some on-board electrical generation source, or from a storage system like a battery or possibly a large capacitor?

There have been hybrid systems, in which the on-board generator is powered by a hydrocarbon-fueled source, like an internal combustion engine, driving a generator that delivers the electrical power to the traction motors, much more efficiently and effectively than a series of gears, couplings and shafts, which all lose much more power than passage of current through a properly sized electrical cable. There is also the possibility that electricity could be transmitted wirelessly to the drive motors by having induction fields in or near the road surfaces, this was offered long ago by the inventor, Nicholas Tesla.


9 posted on 03/25/2025 1:43:52 PM PDT by alloysteel ( Divergence is not at all the same thing as diversity.)
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Barf alert.

I like Tesla, but this piece is written by one of those annoying Apple worshippers - can’t read it without throwing up.


10 posted on 03/25/2025 1:47:20 PM PDT by enumerated (M81 million votes my ass)
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“they have a battery that loses capacity every time you use it and slowly loses capacity even if you don[t use it.”

Tesla battery average capacity after 200k miles is 85%.


11 posted on 03/25/2025 1:47:31 PM PDT by TexasGator ('111111111/)
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Bkmk


12 posted on 03/25/2025 1:51:25 PM PDT by sauropod (Make sure Satan has to climb over a lot of Scripture to get to you. John MacArthur Ne supra crepidam)
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“Their range is like all other EVs calculated under absolutely ideal conditions “

EV range is calculated under simulated city and highway conditions then reduced by a factor of 0.7.

“with no parasitic load on the battery (like heating and cooling)”

Same as ICE vehicles.


13 posted on 03/25/2025 1:52:13 PM PDT by TexasGator ('111111111/)
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“AND their charging time is totally dependent on having a lot of available power a 75kwh battery being charged at 50 kilowatts takes at least 1.5 hours even if you don’t allow for the charging loss. “

50 kw is a bad example.

If you have a Level 2 in your your garage it may take 4 to 5 hours but most of the time people charge before depleting the battery.

A Tesla supercharger gives 200 miles range in about 15 minutes.


14 posted on 03/25/2025 2:00:06 PM PDT by TexasGator ('111111111/)
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"...[T]hink of the entire ecosystem of PC computers and then think of Apple computers...."

I've been making this same point for years. Like Apple computers, Teslas are mostly about image. Virtue signaling. And to a certain extent, it's a cult, not a rational buying decision.

21 posted on 03/25/2025 2:18:55 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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Attention Greenies: Where does the power to charge the vehicle come from? Coal fired power stations.


24 posted on 03/25/2025 2:33:51 PM PDT by Pirate Ragnar
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My Model 3 LR has a 75kWh is usable pack it will accept 250KW from a V3 Tesla supercharger all day every day from 20% till near 80% it slows down in steps setting at 70% then again at 75%. There is 45kWh from 20% to 80% in that pack. At the full 250 it would take .18 of an hour or 10 minutes to do that much charge. The slow down from 70 to 80 adds a couple min. Typical is 20-25 min from 20/80 you can add 175 in 15 over the same SOC range which is 3 hours in the seat at typical motorway speeds. I rarely average more than an actual moving 60 mph up or down I35 to and from Austin in any normal hour of the day. Sure at 3 am you can rip it at 75 or 80. Try that at 6 pm or 7 or 5 anywhere along that stretch of road from.Austin to the Oklahoma border good luck. It’s gridlock in the cities and three lanes of moving but bumper to bumper between the cities.


28 posted on 03/25/2025 3:04:58 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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It’s become vogue on the right to trash electric vehicles. And, mostly, we’re right to.

I'm not against EVs. I'm against them being mandated by folks that think they will somehow fix a climate problem that they've been convinced exists and is the existential problem of our era.

35 posted on 03/25/2025 3:56:21 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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Maybe but none of those things have anything to do with why no one should drive them.


39 posted on 03/25/2025 4:08:37 PM PDT by gnarledmaw (If you dont like my sense of humor, please let me know so I can laugh at you too.)
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The article fails to mention an important difference in the design philosophy of Tesla and traditional American cars.

Tesla takes a “top-down” view of software control of the vehicle, while traditional American cars stitch together the software controlling components of the vehicle.

Traditional American manufacturers buy the components (e.g. transmission, engine) with their own software control, and integrate them into a central control of the vehicle. I think they are at a market disadvantage here.

Tesla’s approach is to build the central software and control the components on its own. A “top down” approach.

Tesla’s view, including AI, is that the software controlling the vehicle is the same kind of software that can be embedded into a robot (for example). The vehicle is a robot. It is also the SpaceX design approach.

Central software can be updated to fix problems and add new features. This is far more difficult with a system of different software components that are “stitched together.”

This design approach is completely separate from the drive system of the vehicle (e.g. electric vs ICE). I would love to see Tesla produce a gas engine or hybrid vehicle.


47 posted on 03/25/2025 4:28:45 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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"There Are EVs And There Are Teslas. They Are Not The Same."

There is some good in Electric Vehicles and if you want one you should be able to buy one. They help advance battery technology which is a good thing. They may be a helpful source of back-up power during weather related power blackouts and may have some surprise utility as off road welders. They may also be a handy object to shove up the ass of anyone in the future who tries to mandate their purchase and use.
51 posted on 03/25/2025 4:35:39 PM PDT by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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