Posted on 02/15/2025 10:03:27 PM PST by grundle
Radical feminism also teaches women to use their youth and beauty to get ego strokes by sleeping around and not use it to find the best man possible for a husband.
Women’s ability to find the best man is perhaps 10 years. After that, it becomes the best of what’s available, but not the best available.
Radical feminism has separated women, and men, from the natural order of how things should be done and reprioritized them wrongly. It is resulting in the damage of the family order.
1/3 of all men can be traced as to having been the father to the general population. The rest of men were generally used as cannon fodder in order to keep the social order.
And that's only the harm caused by radical feminism in the sphere of "dating."
See my post #318; there I enumerate all the many evils propagated by modern feminism. For me, modern feminism is merely a different aspect - a single manifestation, if you will - of the pathological mindset that has gotten a grip on Western civ.
And Tired of Taxes had the nerve to equate "radical feminism" with the "manosphere!"
With a hodgepodge of disgruntled ex-husbands who got reamed in divorce court; grifters marketing books and seminars on how to sweet-talk chicks into bed; incurable and low-testosterone incels; and a handful of guys who have given the matter a thorough, dispassionate examination, offer insightful analysis, and provide actionable advice.
Regards,
SHe thinks the manosphere is the same as Andrew Tate, which it is not. It is a podcast giving men, who no longer have fathers who can teach them the realities of relationships, so they aren’t unnecessary victims of the dating scene.
The good ones do a really good job at opening the eyes of men to the OP’s of women.
In the manosphere the definition of alpha is very clear.
It is a man who takes care of himself first and does not sacrifice himself to society (the Karenocracy) because society tells them he should do so.
As to the jungle—guess what—young men live in one.
Young men who do not recognize that get stomped on in a hurry.
Older men who have been successful then have the luxury of helping others if they choose to do so.
Older men who tell young men they should sacrifice themselves for others are not alphas or betas—they are just jerks.
……. Older men who tell young men they should sacrifice themselves for others are not alphas or betas—they are just jerks. …….
There was a man, sometime back, a very powerful man whose example is still felt very widely today, whose example was self-sacrifice, to the point of nails through hands. Some would say that His example, celebrated in art and thought, is what sets Western civilization apart. Some have said He was a sap. What do you think?
Perhaps you are suggesting young men should pound nails through their hands before starting construction work?
I would advise young men to stay far away from you.
Christ was celibate. If a man wants to marry, there are different rules at play.
In the manosphere, any man can become an alpha male by becoming more selfish? That's a cargo cult idea that won't land any new cargo. The manosphere isn't an authority of which men qualify as alpha males. Outside of advising 80% men not to mate with 80% of women, the manosphere isn't much help. The manosphere is going extinct right alongside the femnosphere.
Today the manosphere is the only place young men can get advice that honors and respects them.
Everywhere else they are told to sacrifice themselves to somebody else—to be subject to the whim of all who wish to rule over them.
That is why it has thrived for two decades—and will probably thrive for many more.
The spirit of men will never be crushed.
Some of the extremism of the manosphere is just as unhealthy.
But they aren’t entirely inaccurate. However, you do have to sift for proper information. I think men are best described as velvet bricks. Superficially, they have all the soft qualities that women claim to want, but underneath they are as hard as granite. They are capable of great damage, but they seek to use that power judiciously.
“What do you think??
Jesus dying on the cross to save all mankind is hardly analogous to the subject at hand.
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Even monkeys have a culture.
Not all cultures are equal.
Ethnocentric, yes.
However, at a macro level when averages start to play a role, culture becomes the PRIMARY reason why a society thrives or fails.
You can have a country that is resource poor, densely populated, loses a war and is bombed into rubble, even nuked, and like a Phoenix they will rise from the ashes because of their culture, i.e. Japan.
Societies that thrive do have certain commonalities:
—Aversion to corruption
—Time sensitivity
—Willingness to use force
—Homogeneous (common value system)
—Willingness to incorporate new technologies
—Concept of personal culpability, consequences for actions.
It does not matter what religion, race, continent, nation, time we are talking about, societies that thrive long term have these in common. And societies that lose these attributes like in ancient Rome, no matter how powerful they were, begin a journey into oblivion.
When you look at a country like El Salvador today, which has made a come back that is unimaginable from the nightmare they were in years ago, that is because their government under Bukele has essentially incorporated the idea of use of force, fighting corruption and creating accountability, in a society where this was lacking. The danger is if this isn’t accepted societally and only from him, then when the strong arm leaves, this country will backslide into the misery they had before.
The point is that culture makes wealth. Wealth does not create culture.
Take 1.2 million idiots from Syria and send them to Germany, and they are still just idiots (a few will change, but most will not).
In the West today, you have a culture that is at best promoting stagnation or a slow decline while a few others like China (PRC) are growth oriented.
Feminism is just another egalitarian fantasy completely dis-attached from nature and God.
It was borne out of urban, industrial, secular society, by academia, with no true underpinning in nature, God, or history.
Egalitarianism is a popular belief today. It feels good.
All races are equal. They are not.
The sexes are equal. They are not.
All religions are equal. They are not.
All sexual orientations are equal. They are not.
All cultures are equal. They are not.
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Just another one.
No. of births per woman in PRC: 1.3!!!
(Replacement level would be 2.1.)
Aging rapidly! Unsustainable.
China no better off than other decadent Western societies!
Regards,
Erm, that would be a SIGMA male.
Outside of advising 80% men not to mate with 80% of women, the manosphere isn't much help.
That, alone, is a TREMENDOUS help!
The manosphere is going extinct right alongside the femnosphere.
Evidence?
Regards,
Some of the extremism of ANY sub-culture or niche in society is just as unhealthy.
ANYTHING can be overdone, and even the BEST philosophy or proposed "way of life" can be toxic if overdone.
Cultivating roses, playing Bridge, doing crossword puzzles.
Even something as fundamentally healthy and natural as CAPITALISM (= the free exchange of goods between voluntary participants) can - if overdone - lead to unhealth outcomes. (E.g., if single-mindedly pursued to the exclusion of all else; or if EVERYTHING is seen only through the lens of monetary value.)
Regards,
Lol on playing bridge.
One tip—never have your spouse as a bridge partner.
You do not want to have a post action fight over whose fault it was that your team lost the hand!
I see you have traveled far down the 'manosphere' path to the point of no return, but I will respond once again.
>"And Tired of Taxes had the nerve to equate "radical feminism" with the "manosphere!"<
Both sides view themselves as victims - one of the 'patriarchy,' the other of a 'gynocentric culture.' Radical feminists believe men hold all the power, and the manosphere men believe women hold all the power. Radical feminists are women who hate men, and manosphere men are men who hate women. And, just like most men want nothing to do with women who hate men (radical feminists), most women want nothing to do with men who hate women (the manosphere).
>"Watch a thousand YouTube clips and TikToks"<
YouTube clips and TikToks are not real life.
>"Please watch a dozen or so of his [Mr. Samuels] shows and form your own opinion!"<
People are what they do - not what they say. No young man should be taking advice from the likes of Mr. Samuels.
But, I checked one of his videos where he was insulting people. Not my cup of tea.
>"You and I are in the same age cohort, and have a broadly similar life experience . . . so I can only assume that you are willfully turning a blind eye to all the signs that this woman is trash."<
My life experience included divorce, and people sometimes made the wrong assumptions about me. So, I try not to jump to conclusions about other people.
>"A man would have to be crazy to get anywhere near a tatted-up, self-entitled baby-mamma like that."<
She said nothing that sounded 'entitled' in that video. She also said nothing about the man's age, income, height, or weight. Maybe she dates single fathers.
As for tats, I myself never had one, but many other people do - including conservatives and other good people.
>"Women begin (dating) life on "easy mode." That warps their perception of reality as a whole."<
Statements like the one above show that men in the 'manosphere' do not understand women at all. TikTok is not real life. A woman in her teens and early 20s must fend off a lot of attention. But, not all of it is complimentary, and even the flattery can make her feel uneasy. Plus, many men of all ages - predators, players, married men, and so on - are up to no good. The unwanted attention does not lead to an inflated ego. Maybe the girls of TikTok enjoy the attention. But, in real life, many young women are embarrassed and annoyed by it. (It slows down but continues into their 30s and 40s, and it still happens sometimes in their 50s and later.)
>"Most men learn early in life that the only worth they have (to women; to society at large) is the value they accrue - through hard work, discipline, and patience."<
Women could say they're only valued for their looks. The men of my generation also expected their wives to work after bearing children, plus cook, clean, and everything else.
The reality is that many factors are at play for both men and women: appearance, personality, shared values, etc. Actually, proximity is a major factor.
But, yes, a man should do his best to provide for his family when his wife bears his children.
Young men should get offline, go out in the real world, and open their eyes. Real life is not what they see online.
This was not directed at me, but let my nonetheless contribute my "2 cents."
If a man's goal is to redeem a Fallen Creation through the ultimate self-sacrifice, then he should be celebrated for allowing his crucifixion. Such a man would have to be virtually perfect.
If, however, he just wants to "get along" / avoid conflict in a sick, gynocentric society;
If he wants to live the best life possible in a society that is constantly telling him that he should become a "soy boy";
asking him what he "brings to the table," but simultaneously telling him that he should be first in line to a) offer his subway seat to a woman, b) intercede if some "crazy" starts threatening the other subway passengers, c) go to jail if the "crazy" is hurt;
sending him to die in wars to protect a nation that derides his masculinity as "toxic";
- then he would be best served by conserving his resources, not getting involved in the dating scene, and not allowing an obtrusive State to cosign any agreements he concludes with a female friend.
Regards,
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