You think we'd know better by now.
Posted on 12/30/2024 7:37:45 AM PST by Lazamataz
I've noticed, as of late, the quality of the arguments on Free Republic have declined. This is especially true as regards the H1B argument.
I have no intention of rehashing this argument, nor the points therein. I am speaking only to the tone and tenor of our forum participants.
Musk did us no favors by being so confrontational about this issue, and may have inadvertently sparked the furor. I fault him for that. I see he's trying to cool this down now, and that is to his credit.
However, it is my belief that the Deep State saw an opening and drove a wedge into it, to separate people on different sides of the argument, who normally would be backing Trump.
As I wrote elsewhere:
It's kinda amazing that the Deep State can ring a bell and we salivate like a Pavlovian dog.
You think we'd know better by now.
That point aside, repeatedly, I'm seeing a lot of posters lately are being rather personal as opposed to arguing the merits of their case. That behavior sheds a lot more heat than light.
It’s as if attorneys were to argue in court:
Atty 1: “Where’d you get your law degree, you fat loser? A crackerjack box? Your client is GUILTY and you are a blind FREAK if you can’t see that!”
Atty 2: “Oh, talk about blind! I understand you are a faggot in your personal life, too! Do you molest boys, you creep? YOU should be the one on trial!”
Judge: “Gentlemen, can we return to the facts of th...”
Atty 1: “Oh just shut the eff up, judge, and play with yourself under your robe, like you always do.”
Atty 2: “Yeah, shut up, you twatwaffle! I never liked you, now I know why!”
In short, I hope that people can dial things down a notch and present their cases with a lot less invective.
I myself have been guilty over the years of being nothing less than an online terrorist, but I do now see the errors of that path, especially here, where we are all one big family.
This is an important issue and we need to discuss it. I suggest we at least wait until our President is inaugurated, or, if it is important to discuss now, that we do so with a lot less invective. We are not Democrat Underground.
We once had Tata send over an H-1B worker who was 7-months pregnant. She was rejected and sent back to India.
-PJ
Influence agents, many with foreign loyalties, have been running amok for years, absolutely unfettered by Mods.
They used to be called Subversives and there are still laws against it.
H-1B bump!!!
My perspective on this stuff is the word collapse is silly and mild.
It’s like preppers trying to configure for a week of no power.
No, this will be forever. Not weeks. There is no fix for those debt numbers with 8 billion mouths to feed.
I know. Only Tiffany.
“It’s fine for your parents not to have been born here so long as they were both U.S. citizens at the time of your birth.”
Technically it’s fine.
Bingo.
-PJ
I remember when the whole H-1B visa controversy began, too.The program was created by the Immigration Act of 1990 and set the initial cap at 65,000 H-1B visas per year. This number exploded to 115,000 in 1998, and then to 195,000 in 2000.
What happened in 1998? The advent of consumer access to the world-wide web, Intel's Pentium II chip (soon followed by the Pentium III), and Microsoft's release of Windows 98.
Microsoft argued that they were behind the curve on people skilled in web browser coding and needed an increase in H-1B caps in order to hire people CURRENTLY skilled in web tech to remain competitive. Existing American coders said it would take them no more than a few months to become proficient in the skills, and six months to become expert. Congress sided with Bill Gates and increased the H-1B caps to let Microsoft hire foreign workers.
It's also not coincidental that the First Browser War between Microsoft and Netscape sped up in 1998.
Market share for several browsers, 1996–2009Ironically, the United States sued Microsoft for anti-trust violations in 1998 when they integrated their Internet Explorer browser directly into the Windows operating system, making it difficult for users to install competing web browsers like Netscape.
The Department of Justice and Microsoft settled the case in 2001. The cap on H-1B visas was reduced to its original 65,000 in 2004, with an additional 20,000 available for workers with Masters Degrees.
With the Browser Wars over and the American tech worker caught up in skills, the reliance on H-1B workers was already established and has not changed. The original premise of the H-1B program as "jobs looking for workers" became "foreign workers looking for jobs" when their original jobs ended and the H-1B worker needed to find new employment or return to their home countries.
This is when the real damage to career American workers began to happen. Displaced H-1B workers were willing to accept lower wages to take new IT jobs if it allowed them to remain in the United States, and American companies began exploiting the H-1B visa system to hire these workers who were already here.
Let me add another point of history into the mix, the expanded use of the L-1 visa.
The L-1 visa is for foreign companies that allows some of their workers to work in the United States as employees of the foreign company. This was heavily used by popular H-1B outsourcing companies like Tata or Infosys that set up offices in the United States to facilitate moving their people into positions in American companies.
With American companies fully bought into the H-1B program, the L-1 managers ingratiated themselves with American hiring managers, essentially finalizing the pipeline of workers from their home staff to the American companies by maintaining a permanent presence in major American cities.
Eventually, these L-1 managers became citizens and then became employees in American companies. Now has hiring managers in American companies, they began biasing their hiring practices towards their own ethnicities, further displacing American workers.
BTTT
Do you think that the Founding Fathers won the Revolutionary War by having hugfests with the British? Really? A revolution is by its very nature a political exercise and the Founding Fathers heaped mountains of abusive rhetoric on the British. After they won the war they used their insulting rhetoric on each other to hammer out their differences and founded the greatest nation in the world. American politics has always been smashmouth from day one.
Most Americans don't know how hard-edged the rhetoric was during the Revolutionary War because it has been sanitized and sanctified.
Here's a quote from Samuel Adams that is very relevant to this thread which Laz is attempting to subdue resistance to the abuses of the establishment.
“Some of our politicians would have the people believe that the administration are disposed or determined to have all the grievances which we complain of redressed, if we will only be quiet. But apprehend this would be a fatal delusion.”
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yes, by all means, reach across, have a conversation, don't ruffle any feathers, compromise, talk in soft tones till the barbarians and crooks and liars see the error of their ways.
this is why we always lose.
cowards hiding behind civility............Jesus didn't come to bring peace,...... but a sword and division ( from the evil ) all i see is alyinskyites holding us to our standards while they rob us i n our own country. ... . .may all you civil folk have your velvet chains rest lightly on your necks. .... i say....fight fight fight !....( huh, where did i hear that before ?)
When the opinions of two people close to the President are we need to hire more foreign workers that should lead to a discussion.
Because there is little more satisfying than distorting the facts to support your own predetermined conclusions.
It seems fair to say that naturalized citizens, who promptly and unwaveringly took care of the business of becoming U.S. citizens themselves, should be afforded the right to raise their later-arriving children to aspire to our highest office.
Melania is a great citizen. But for some reason she tarried, and ended up taking the citizenship oath a few months after Barron was born.
Not at all that this was Melania’s motivation...but the tarrying spouse (or couple) may be hedging his or her bet, thinking that, by allowing foreign spice to persist, and to be present at the time of the child’s birth, they are obtaining, for that child, a legal status of dual-citizenship (or in Cubamerinadian Ted Cruz’s case, triune-citizenship), which, it must be admitted, some people consider to be a good thing, meaning that they think that, in at least some possible future circumstances, it might mature into some kind of an advantage.
Just used it.
Contractor: “He didn’t use the laser to align sh!t. He’s new and I thought he knew better.”
Me: “The two hours of downtime that pump cost us tells me both of you were wrong. Get that twatwaffle out of my mill and make sure everyone else in the crew knows how to use the lasers. I want the printouts from now on. No exceptions.”
Contractor: “Yessir! Twatwaffle. Is that a military term?
Me: “Probably. Feel free to use it liberally.”
“Don’t let them have it. We can disagree, and set aside this one issue while we:
DESTROY THE DEEP STATE
CLOSE THE BORDER
EJECT LAWBREAKERS
ENFORCE THE LAW
DESTROY DEI
CUT SPENDING
CUT TAXES
GET OUT OF UKRAINE
And a hundred other things that matter more than H1b visas.”
The H1Bs and the companies they infest are active advocates against everyone of those things. Getting rid of H1B un-Christian and un-American immigration is like bombing the ball bearing plant at Schweinfurt. It has far reaching effects.
H1Bs lead the charge on socialism, censorship, centralized authoritarian power and love of the deep state secret government.
Just more verbal vomit from the self-satisfied censorship brigade telling themselves that they are the "better people" who must police the words of the "unwashed" that oppose them. How noble.
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