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To: Wuli; Lazmataz
"The point is that even with the “founding fathers” slanderous personal tones did nothing to change or futher the actual policy/position arguments."

Do you think that the Founding Fathers won the Revolutionary War by having hugfests with the British? Really? A revolution is by its very nature a political exercise and the Founding Fathers heaped mountains of abusive rhetoric on the British. After they won the war they used their insulting rhetoric on each other to hammer out their differences and founded the greatest nation in the world. American politics has always been smashmouth from day one.

Most Americans don't know how hard-edged the rhetoric was during the Revolutionary War because it has been sanitized and sanctified.

Here's a quote from Samuel Adams that is very relevant to this thread which Laz is attempting to subdue resistance to the abuses of the establishment.

“Some of our politicians would have the people believe that the administration are disposed or determined to have all the grievances which we complain of redressed, if we will only be quiet. But apprehend this would be a fatal delusion.”

191 posted on 12/30/2024 10:41:21 AM PST by wildcard_redneck
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To: wildcard_redneck

“Do you think that the Founding Fathers won the Revolutionary War by having hugfests with the British?”

Now you create a strawman argument taking the matter out of context, from public behaviors of the founders between each other as political U.S. adversaries, to, inappropriately U.S-British relations. And in THAT latter context, for tone, you only have to read the Declaration of Independence where even in the many claims against the British King things were stated as matter of fact and wihout rancor.

The issue was not about “being quiet or not” as you imply with your quote from Adams; that is another false argument and not what the main issue is about.


209 posted on 12/30/2024 11:07:40 AM PST by Wuli
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