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The Tone and Tenor of Free Republic (vanity)
Original Content | 12/30/2024 | By Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 12/30/2024 7:37:45 AM PST by Lazamataz

I've noticed, as of late, the quality of the arguments on Free Republic have declined. This is especially true as regards the H1B argument.

I have no intention of rehashing this argument, nor the points therein. I am speaking only to the tone and tenor of our forum participants.

Musk did us no favors by being so confrontational about this issue, and may have inadvertently sparked the furor. I fault him for that. I see he's trying to cool this down now, and that is to his credit.

However, it is my belief that the Deep State saw an opening and drove a wedge into it, to separate people on different sides of the argument, who normally would be backing Trump.

As I wrote elsewhere:

It's kinda amazing that the Deep State can ring a bell and we salivate like a Pavlovian dog.

You think we'd know better by now.

That point aside, repeatedly, I'm seeing a lot of posters lately are being rather personal as opposed to arguing the merits of their case. That behavior sheds a lot more heat than light.

It’s as if attorneys were to argue in court:

Atty 1: “Where’d you get your law degree, you fat loser? A crackerjack box? Your client is GUILTY and you are a blind FREAK if you can’t see that!”

Atty 2: “Oh, talk about blind! I understand you are a faggot in your personal life, too! Do you molest boys, you creep? YOU should be the one on trial!”

Judge: “Gentlemen, can we return to the facts of th...”

Atty 1: “Oh just shut the eff up, judge, and play with yourself under your robe, like you always do.”

Atty 2: “Yeah, shut up, you twatwaffle! I never liked you, now I know why!”

In short, I hope that people can dial things down a notch and present their cases with a lot less invective.

I myself have been guilty over the years of being nothing less than an online terrorist, but I do now see the errors of that path, especially here, where we are all one big family.

This is an important issue and we need to discuss it. I suggest we at least wait until our President is inaugurated, or, if it is important to discuss now, that we do so with a lot less invective. We are not Democrat Underground.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: areyouloggedin; freerepublic; h1b; hughandseries; tldr; vanity; youreinacult
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To: DSH
If by "of late" you mean "starting about 25 years ago," then I'd have to agree with you.

I earliest FR “civil war” I remember was the fight over whether Tom McClintock or Arnold Schwarnegger should be the next Governor of California. Back in 2003. That was 21 years ago. I actually think it was worse than the current unpleasantness because it went on for much of the recall campaign. Was there anything comparable before then?

141 posted on 12/30/2024 9:19:51 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Red Badger
I just accept that some people are argumentative

THEY ARE NOT!!!
142 posted on 12/30/2024 9:20:59 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Wipe the stain of Islam off of the face of the earth!)
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To: Lazamataz

A very true indictment of the growing classlessness around here.


143 posted on 12/30/2024 9:23:00 AM PST by Albion Wilde (“Did you ever meet a woke person that’s happy? There’s no such thing.” —Donald J. Trump)
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To: Nervous Tick

😁.........................


144 posted on 12/30/2024 9:25:14 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Lazamataz

Jeez...

... and I can see some folks just can’t stop (or are they some of the paid bots out there?)

Having like 3 gigs these days, I hardly have time to write anything. Fact is, I haven’t look at one post about this H-1B thing on ANY forum. That’s because I’ve been around long enough to know that it’s merely a distraction.

Perhaps my New Years Resolution should be to commit to posting at least one video per week, since I can run my mouth a lot faster than I can type.

To everyone else out there, allow me to give you a few more meaning full distractions:

* A stupid war that is trying to go nuclear (and what to do about it)
* An out of control border

* An out of control federal budget (or lack thereof)

* Vote fraud (still a thing, folks)

* Oh, and have we resolved the drone issue yet?

Think about everything I posted there, and what you folks have been fussing about in the last couple of weeks.

Of all the New Years Resolutions one can make, here’s one for all you Real Americans out there:

STOP BEING YANKED AROUND BY THE NARRATIVE OF THE DAY. ANY, AND I REPEAT ANY WEDGE YOUR OPPOSITION SEES WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU.

Enough said. Back to my job(s) so I can figure out how and if to pay taxes in 2025

just my $0.02 - which isn’t enough to cover my tax bill.

jimjohn - OUT.


145 posted on 12/30/2024 9:26:32 AM PST by jimjohn (We're at war, people. Start acting like it.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

>> He also said that we should “Literally, take a step back and literally f*ck your own face.” to the MAGA base Republicans.

Seriously? Whoa!

(That’s the Asperger’s talkin’ right there. Anyway, I’ve tried and I can’t... quite... accomplish it.)


146 posted on 12/30/2024 9:26:37 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Wipe the stain of Islam off of the face of the earth!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Well, that reminds me of yesterday. LOL


147 posted on 12/30/2024 9:28:04 AM PST by dforest
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To: Owen
--- "How about this. The US economy is going to crater because of the debt. This other stuff will be off the front page, and 2nd page and 3rd page."

I agree, but would enlarge the scope. The world economy will as well.

Consider only a few of the titles posted this morning:

"Brown University faces $46 million deficit"

"Every Bureaucrat Destroys 138 Jobs"

"Credit Card Defaults Spike to Highest Level Since Aftermath of 2008 Financial Crisis"

"Chicago PMI dips lower than expected, indicating manufacturing contraction"

The US Debt Clock passes $36 & 1/4 trillion, while state, municipal, corporate, city, county, school district debts all rise in like manner.
148 posted on 12/30/2024 9:28:05 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: RummyChick
Unfortunately, "travel ready" is probably a very important consideration for getting a visa. It's sort of like having a dearth of qualified candidates for a local school board, so somebody ends up winning the election regardless.

When I trained managers on hiring staff, I tried to emphasize having a minimum bar for the person who was offered a job, not just hiring the best candidate out of a mediocre field because "we need somebody right away". One of the executives I worked for phrased it differently; "Don't settle".

149 posted on 12/30/2024 9:28:20 AM PST by Bernard (Issue an annual budget. And Issue a federal government balance sheet. Let's see what we got.)
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To: Lazamataz; Mathews
It is a good word. 😁

It's an awesome word and it has multiple purposes.

For example: Laz likes his twatwaffles with whipped cream and syrup with a cherry on top!

See?

150 posted on 12/30/2024 9:29:28 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Wuli

Free Republic is a political forum and politics isn’t beanbag. The Founding Fathers of this country slung a lot of mud and demands by GOPe Freepers to moderate the tone is nothing but a form of censorship cloaked in calls for man ers.

In the presidential election of 1800 Jefferson’s camp accused President Adams of having a “hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.” In return, Adams’ men called Vice President Jefferson “a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father.”


151 posted on 12/30/2024 9:30:06 AM PST by wildcard_redneck
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To: Lazamataz

Thank you. We have lost some people over the years who were eloquent. I miss them. I’d like to flinch less frequently when reading comments. If we want to grow MAGA we need to put our best foot forward in public comments.


152 posted on 12/30/2024 9:32:40 AM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Lazamataz

Rush Limbaugh often said: “It is freedom that allows ordinary people to do extraordinary things.”

I agree. I’m not convinced we are in desperate need of a continuing influx of foreign technicians in an abused system to do the work we know Americans have done before and can continue do.


153 posted on 12/30/2024 9:35:07 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Nervous Tick; Lazamataz
Just to stir the pot a little: On one of my last jobs in Silicon Valley I was replaced by not one, not two but three H-1Bs, one from China, one from India, one from Vietnam.

The Chinese guy got fired as soon as the phone bill came in, he was viewing Japanese porn at work, using dial up Japanese phone numbers!

Since there were no hard feelings (I'd done everything semiconductor process related and the company moved to different implementations that were not a good fit), I'd occasionally drop in to say 'Hi'. The Indian guy seemed to be doing well, the Vietnamese guy would vanish within moments of my showing up...

154 posted on 12/30/2024 9:39:54 AM PST by null and void (Regarding the second Trump presidency, everyone who isn’t terrified is thankful!)
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To: z3n; All
LMAO! OMG!

The imagery and verbiage are so rich in this meme that the original size demands expansion to satiate a primal need.

Loves me some freepers! Woot! Woot!

155 posted on 12/30/2024 9:43:03 AM PST by freepersup (“Those who conceal crimes are preparing to commit new ones.” ~Vuk Draskovic~)
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To: jimjohn
STOP BEING YANKED AROUND BY THE NARRATIVE OF THE DAY. ANY, AND I REPEAT ANY WEDGE YOUR OPPOSITION SEES WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU.

This.

This right here.

156 posted on 12/30/2024 9:44:08 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: yesthatjallen
We need to sort this out before H-1B visas are handed out like Halloween candy behind our backs.

Close the barn door. Then we can talk about if we should open it.

Congress created the H-1B visa program in 1990.

Now almost 35 years later this is suddenly an issue?   The barn door that needs to be shut is the illegals at the borders and flown to so called Sanctuary cities and states.   Your H-1B visas is a red herring to move the goal posts away from illegal immigration.   I smell a rat.

And yes, I love mixed metaphors.

158 posted on 12/30/2024 9:46:11 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: RummyChick

A solid fix to the H1Bbodyshop abuse would be that H1Bs must work directly for the sponsoring employer and cannot be a consultant to another company in any way, shape or form.


159 posted on 12/30/2024 9:49:48 AM PST by wildcard_redneck
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To: motor_racer

Vivek’s recent behavior is a perfect example of why those for whom foreign spice was involved in at least some way in their birth should never hold the office of POTUS.


160 posted on 12/30/2024 9:50:27 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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