Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Ground-breaking evidence comes to light | Princes in the Tower: A ****ing Discovery
YouTube ^ | December 2, 2024 | Channel 5

Posted on 12/05/2024 5:24:29 AM PST by SunkenCiv

A breakthrough in one of the most intriguing, historic who-dunnit cases by Professor Tim Thornton, discovered buried deep in a Register of Wills held at The National Archives.

It's Summer 1483, and one of the most infamous and shocking crimes in English history is about to take place. Two young princes are brought to the Tower of London under the protection of their uncle, Richard, Duke of Gloucester. A few weeks later they vanish without a trace. The mystery of what happened to the Princes in the Tower has obsessed us for centuries. Why did these boys, aged just nine and 12, disappear? Could they have been murdered, and if so, by whom? This special episode, with unique access to the Tower of London, takes a fresh look at this notorious cold case as this new ground-breaking evidence comes to light.
Ground-breaking evidence comes to light
Princes in the Tower: A Damning Discovery
| 2:52
Channel 5 | 512K subscribers | 58,208 views | December 2, 2024
Ground-breaking evidence comes to light | Princes in the Tower: A Damning Discovery | 2:52 | Channel 5 | 512K subscribers | 58,208 views | December 2, 2024

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: 1483; 1522; dukeofgloucester; godsgravesglyphs; inheritance; jamestyell; kingedwardi; kingedwardv; margaretcapel; princes; royalchain; sirwilliamcapel; thetower; toweroflondon; tyell; tyrell; will; williamcapel
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-25 next last
--> YouTube-Generated Transcript <--
0:00·I'm very excited to be able to show you
0:02·something that I've not shown to anybody
0:04·yet which is a new discovery so we need
0:06·to look into this document that we have
0:08·in front of us you are the first people
0:10·to see this wow okay
0:14·okay so this is an official copy of the
0:18·will of a woman called Margaret Capel
0:21·she died in 1522 she was the Widow of a
0:25·very wealthy and Powerful Londoner
0:27·called Sir William Capel buried deep in
0:30·Margaret's will something has caught
0:32·Tim's eye in the midst of all the detail
0:35·here we can find a reference to a
0:39·bequest to her
0:41·son also I bequeathed to my son sir
0:46·Giles his father's
0:49·chain which was young King Edward I
0:53·5's the chain of Office of the of the
0:56·king himself the king
0:59·[Music]
1:01·extraordinarily the will states that
1:03·this chain of office once belonged to
1:05·King Edward V the older of the princes
1:08·in the
1:09·tower this Royal chain would have been
1:12·completely unique to Edward and should
1:14·never have been found in private hands
1:17·these chains or collars they are very
1:19·very closely tied to the individuals who
1:22·wear them so this chain of Edward V F's
1:25·is a very very powerful object and the
1:28·fact that it's in the hands of the Capal
1:29·family family has real significance one
1:32·of the extraordinary things about The
1:33·Disappearance of the princes is that
1:36·until now they left no Trace yes yes so
1:41·no clothing no personal possessions no
1:44·Jewels until now this is the first
1:48·indication of some physical possession
1:51·of the princes which is still in
1:54·circulation in London in the early part
1:56·of the following Century that's
1:58·incredible
1:59·finding evidence of this Priceless
2:02·personal item belonging to one of the
2:04·missing princes would have been
2:06·astonishing enough but Tim kept
2:09·digging there's more right because
2:13·Margaret Capel was the
2:18·sister-in-law of James
2:22·trell oh my goodness don't believe
2:25·that somehow after their death young
2:29·King Edward Royal chain of office made
2:31·its way into the family of one of the
2:33·Prime suspects Richard III's loyal
2:36·servant James
2:39·tyell this distinctive chain the only
2:42·trace of one of the missing princes
2:44·hidden deep inside a 500-year-old will
2:48·is the biggest breakthrough in the case
2:50·for centuries

1 posted on 12/05/2024 5:24:29 AM PST by SunkenCiv
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

In 1674 renovations were being done on the Tower of London. Workmen found the skeletal remains of what appeared to be children underneath the staircase of the White Tower. It was immediately and unequivocally assumed that these remains were that of the two sons of King Edward V.

In 1933 it was decided to re-examine the bones to see if any conclusions or further information could be ascertained. When the urn was openea two partial, Skeletons oT children's remains were found. There were al two skulls, one of which|was badly damaged, in there was also a collection of other miscellaneous bones from different animals: as well as a few rusty nails. So were thee Two bones that were found at the Tower of London REALLY the two princes? For now that centuries old mystery still remains unsolved.
Mystery of the Two Princes:
Were the Remains Found at the Tower of London REALLY the Two Princes?
| 8:17
Evelyn Edwards | 52.4K subscribers | 11,369 views | March 13, 2024
Mystery of the Two Princes: Were the Remains Found at the Tower of London REALLY the Two Princes? | 8:17 | Evelyn Edwards | 52.4K subscribers | 11,369 views | March 13, 2024
--> YouTube-Generated Transcript <--
0:01·Two boys 12 and 9 years old. Princes. Their father, King Edward IV had just died unexpectedly.
0:16·The eldest of the two boys Edward, had already been announced as the next king of England
0:22·in the streets of London. Both boys were placed in the Tower of London - escorted by their
0:30·uncle, their father's loyal brother Richard. The boy's uncle Richard had been made protector
0:39·of the 12 year old Edward in his father's will. The death of their father caused a huge
0:45·power struggle between their mother's family and their Uncle Richard that would ultimately
0:53·result in their disappearance and their end. Richard had escorted Prince Edward personally
1:01·to the tower, the idea was that it was for his protection. His younger brother followed
1:09·shortly after. At the time, none of these actions were considered odd or malicious.
1:17·The Tower of London was the traditional place that the new monarch would have stayed before
1:22·their coronation ceremony. But instead of Edward having his coronation as was originally
1:29·planned for on June 22 1483, his uncle Richard began the process of having Parliament rule
1:39·that the two princes were actually illegitimate. That their father had been previously betrothed
1:46·to another woman and so his marriage to their mother was invalid and therefore neither would
1:54·be in line to inherit the throne - and the next person who should be king was Richard
2:01·himself. The last records we have of the two princes being seen was written in the Great
2:09·Chronicle on June 16th that the boys had been "seen shooting [arrows] and playing in the
2:16·garden of the Tower sundry times.' Then an Italian diplomat not too long after reported
2:25·a mixture of perhaps gossip and perhaps eyewitness that the princes were "Withdrawn to the
2:32·inner apartments of the Tower proper, and day by day began to be seen more rarely behind
2:40·the bars and windows until at length they ceased to appear altogether. Already there
2:48·is a suspicion that they have been done away with.' In July the two princes' uncle
2:55·was crowned King Richard III. The boys were never seen again and speculation about what
3:06·happened to them has been the subject of debate for centuries. The main suspect has always
3:15·been Richard who had so much to gain with their disappearance. The narrative of what
3:22·happened to the boys and the possible suspects of the crime were not even introduced for
3:28·30 years after their disappearance and it was done by Henry VIIIs chancellor Thomas
3:37·More. More wrote a dramatic version of what happened in his "The History of King Richard
3:46·IIII" This manuscript was un-finished and was first published years after More's death.
3:55·More who's words have ended up massively shaping the narrative of the history of not
4:01·only Richard III but also the two Princes, was only 7 years old when Richard III died
4:10·at the Battle of Bosworth. Historians have combed through this posthumous re-telling
4:16·of events by Moore that originally had frequent misnaming of important figures names, wrong
4:24·ages given, the use of heresay local gossip and legend as fact is often sited with "as
4:34·some say" "I have heard by credible report"and "they say". It was More who introduced
4:43·the idea that a man named Sir James Tyrell and another named Dighton had confessed to
4:51·murdering the two boys and that the boys were buried underneath stairs at the Tower of London.
5:00·More also went on to later say that a priest had gone to where the bones had been hidden
5:07·and reburied them- the location of the of where the priest put the bones was lost because
5:15·the priest had died. In 1674 renovations were being done on the
5:22·Tower of London. Workmen found the skeletal remains of what appeared to be children underneath
5:31·the staircase of the White Tower. It was immediately and unequivocally assumed that these remains
5:39·were that of the two sons of King Edward IV. The belief was That the finding of these remains
5:48·corroborated the story that More had presented. The bones were ordered by Charles II, who
5:56·was king at the time to be taken to Westminster abbey and reinterred. It wasn't until 4
6:05·years later that in 1678The bones were eventually placed in an urn- and urn that again stated
6:15·that they were the remains of Edward V and his brother and that they had been murdered
6:22·by their uncle Richard. In 1933 it was decided to re-examine the bones to see if any conclusions
6:33·or further information could be ascertained. When the urn was opened two partial skeletons
6:42·of children's remains were found. There were two skulls, one of which was badly damaged,
6:50·there was also a collection of other miscellaneous bones from different animals as well as a
6:58·few rusty nails. The methods used to determine the ages of two skeletons in the 1930's
7:07·is now considered extremely controversial, even the sex of the remains was not established.
7:16·There were also multiple other sets of children's bones that have been found that could possibly
7:23·be the bones of the two princes. There were remains found when Sir Walter Raleigh was
7:30·imprisoned in the Tower, there remains found when the tower's moat was drained in the mid
7:36·nineteenth century and more still in 1789 when two small child size coffins were were
7:45·found walled up in a 'hidden space' next to the vault holding the coffins of Edward IV
7:53·and Elizabeth Woodville at Windsor Castle. So were the bones that were found at the Tower
8:02·of London REALLY the two princes? For now that centuries old mystery still remains unsolved.

2 posted on 12/05/2024 5:25:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

Britains Real Monarch with Tony Robinson | 48:08
Reijer Zaaijer | 103K subscribers | 227,100 views | November 1, 2013
Britains Real Monarch with Tony Robinson | 48:08 | Reijer Zaaijer | 103K subscribers | 227,100 views | November 1, 2013

3 posted on 12/05/2024 5:27:24 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

4 posted on 12/05/2024 5:27:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: stylecouncilor

Ping


5 posted on 12/05/2024 5:43:28 AM PST by windcliff
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Last I heard the princes were killed because they were the issue of an affair and NOT of the line and the king knew it.


6 posted on 12/05/2024 5:59:35 AM PST by TalBlack (Time to use the Law and the Power. Good luck Mr. President.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Oh thank you for posting this!!!!! Awesome just awesome.


7 posted on 12/05/2024 6:05:06 AM PST by navymom1 (I voted for President Trump!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

I just got an email saying an ancestor of mine was also in the will, and I am to receive millions. I just had to send five hundred dollars and I should be receiving my share soon.


8 posted on 12/05/2024 6:07:37 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Larry Lucido

I got the same email, the legal firm has an office in Nigeria!


9 posted on 12/05/2024 6:21:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

A book about this case was assigned in one of my college history courses (many years ago). It was sad and sickening to read about what most likely happened to those two boys.


10 posted on 12/05/2024 6:22:50 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Better there than in the Tower of London.


11 posted on 12/05/2024 6:28:03 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Larry Lucido

Humans are greedy pigs.


12 posted on 12/05/2024 6:45:20 AM PST by yldstrk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

I remember, in the early 1960s, two bodies were found of a boy and girl. They were put on exhibit for a while before being reburied.
It was said they were of Royal Blood, and had been married to each other when about 5 or 6 years old, then they disappeared.
Anyone else remember it?


13 posted on 12/05/2024 6:48:51 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

BTTT


14 posted on 12/05/2024 7:17:32 AM PST by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Nope.


15 posted on 12/05/2024 7:58:14 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv
What bonanza would be enough to murder children? One would expect to descend into madness like the MacBeths, but evidently some people would not hesitate and would not descend into remorse.

What kind of people would be attracted like a magnet to the magnitude of wealth and power concentrated in a place like Washington? This question casts light on the number of people who go there poor and leave as multimillionaires after a few years. It also casts light on Donald Trump, who actually lost wealth serving as President and gave his Presidential salary to charity.

16 posted on 12/05/2024 8:21:30 AM PST by Savage Beast (Fight! Fight! Fight! God Bless America! Trump won because good TRiUMPhed over evil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Saw the video and it was very compelling. Thanks for the transcript.

Are the bones still available? Could they be studied for possible DNA or further information using modern forensic evidence?

Political intrigue and murders have been going on since the beginning of time.


17 posted on 12/05/2024 8:43:44 AM PST by Bon of Babble (You Say You Want a Revolution?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Tired of Taxes

The only source is Thomas More, be sure to listen to (or read the transcript) of the second vid posted here.


18 posted on 12/05/2024 8:58:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Bon of Babble
They're back in the urn; it's seemed likely to some that the remains are at least a few hundred years earlier than the late 15th c, and possibly not even the same date as each other. RC dating would settle that to an extent.

DNA testing could work depending the condition. However, they are officially recognized as members of a royal house, so the testing probably won't happen. Better to wait, the technology will probably improve, and in another 50-100 years there may not be a 'royal family' to worry about.

The estimated age of the individuals has been made by measurements, and the governing assumption is that these were the two boys (gender isn't really established). If that's the case though, their size suggests they died later than the ages claimed by the Tudor Deep State and its supporters. :^)

19 posted on 12/05/2024 9:05:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Savage Beast

Henry VII had the Titulus Regius (there’s a page link above) destroyed to relegitimize the princess and marry her, in order to yield his usurpation some supporting myth. She became the mother of Henry VIII and he and three of his children ruled.

By relegitimizing the princess, H7 was also relegitimizing the princes, so they had to go.

I’m more of a Richard III guy, OTOH, I regard monarchy as an inherently illegitimate form of government. Also, had R3 won, some of my ancestors wouldn’t have been born (they weren’t royals).

Same goes for Harold II — he was legit, but unless he loses, William I doesn’t wind up being my ancestors. :^)

Another king, Charles I, was beheaded by Oliver Cromwell — the first modern dictator — and due to the employment of a few generations of another of my ancestral lines being terminated by that event, the last of them left for America. :^)

Great events shape the much more modest and workaday things, such as all our lives. :^)


20 posted on 12/05/2024 9:14:01 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-25 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson