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It Sounds Like NASA's Moon Rocket Might Be Getting Canceled
futurism.com ^ | Nov 13, 3:06 PM EST by | Victor Tangermann

Posted on 11/13/2024 7:56:30 PM PST by BenLurkin

NASA's plagued Space Launch System rocket, which is being developed to deliver the first astronauts to the Moon in over half a century, is on thin ice.

According to Ars Technica senior space reporter Eric Berger's insider sources, there's an "at least 50-50" chance that the rocket "will be canceled."

"Not Block 1B. Not Block 2," he added, referring to the variant that was used during NASA's uncrewed Artemis I test flight in 2022 and a more powerful design with a much higher translunar injection payload capacity, respectively. "All of it."

To be clear, as Berger himself points out, we're still far "from anything being settled." Nonetheless, the reporter's sources have historically been highly reliable, suggesting the space agency may indeed be getting cold feet about continuing to pour billions of dollars into the non-reusable rocket.

The SLS has already seen its fair share of budget overruns and many years of delays. In a 2022 interview, former NASA deputy administrator Lori Garver told Futurism that the project is simply "not sustainable."

The rocket platform has become a political football, going well past $6 billion over budget and over half a decade behind schedule.

"I will be direct," former NASA administrator Michael Griffin told the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee during a January hearing on the space agency's Artemis program,"In my judgment, the Artemis Program is excessively complex, unrealistically priced, compromises crew safety, poses very high mission risk of completion, and is highly unlikely to be completed in a timely manner even if successful."

So far, the rocket has been launched only once, as part of NASA's inaugural Artemis mission in 2022, but damage sustained by the agency's Orion spacecraft has given officials pause about its ability to safely send astronauts to the Moon in the coming years.

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To: BenLurkin

So let me see if I have this straight, Constellation was cancelled for being over budget, overly complex and late. They then replaced Constellation with Artemis, which is now potentially being cancelled because it’s over budget, overly complex, and late.

So basically a pattern of incompetence and mismanagement. Or perhaps it was always intended to fail and this is just a way to launder money to aerospace companies. Ridiculous and heads should roll!


21 posted on 11/13/2024 9:48:57 PM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: The Unknown Republican
Or perhaps it was always intended to fail and this is just a way to launder money to aerospace companies.

You're on the right track.
Everything today is a giant money laundering operation. Governments and corporations are allowed to get away with it, but not ordinary individuals.

22 posted on 11/13/2024 9:53:43 PM PST by chud
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To: Inyo-Mono
The Saturn V was a massive three stage rocket that worked marvelously for its purpose of getting the US to the Moon before anyone else. It long ago went out of production though and is now technologically obsolete.

The Saturn V's biggest drawbacks are that it is not reusable and relies on liquid hydrogen fuel. Both of these would make for extraordinarily expensive launches if we wanted to spend absurd sums to put the Saturn V design back into production and use it today.

23 posted on 11/13/2024 10:29:21 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

You’d be đź’Żđź’Ş correct. I knew Astronaut John Young.


24 posted on 11/13/2024 10:47:50 PM PST by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical object)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Young. Autocorrect screw up.


25 posted on 11/13/2024 10:49:03 PM PST by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical object)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

What in the world 🌍. Phone is malfunctioning.


26 posted on 11/13/2024 10:50:50 PM PST by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical object)
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To: BenLurkin

But there is so much accomplishment:

- DEI
- meetings
- mingling
- rubbing elbows
- the talk
- the dialogue (dialog?)
- global warming
- movements
- more meetings
- abortions
- insurrections
- “mostly peaceful” VIOLENCE

and, now, what was NASA supposed to be doing, otherwise!?


27 posted on 11/13/2024 10:59:45 PM PST by linMcHlp
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To: Secret Agent Man

SpaceX’s biggest booster, the Starship Super Heavy, has over 2 times the thrust of the Saturn V.


28 posted on 11/13/2024 11:09:03 PM PST by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Many years ago, my late father was in high school in Orlando with John Young. My sister once asked him what John Young was like. “Just another kid.” Not satisfied, my sister asked if John Young ever talked of going into space. Exasperated, my father said “Not that I ever heard. Do you think he went around wearing a model rocket on his head?”


29 posted on 11/13/2024 11:13:27 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: chud

“I should add that there is a theory that the knowledge to get back to the Moon, and possibly go to Mars was not lost.”

Of course it wasn’t lost. China landed on the moon in 2019 and 2020 and returned lunar samples on the latter mission. India landed successfully in 2023.


30 posted on 11/13/2024 11:20:21 PM PST by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: Rockingham

John Young was an oil investor with my father. I have to this day my father’s NASA security clearance tag to enter highly secure facilities in New Orleans where portions of the Saturn 5 was built.


31 posted on 11/13/2024 11:25:08 PM PST by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical object)
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To: Owen
Space is hard.

Manned space flight is so difficult, it may not be worth it.

Outside of the Apollo missions, the world record for manned space flight is 854 miles above the earth's surface (Pete Conrad and Richard Gordon, Gemini 11 in 1966).

32 posted on 11/13/2024 11:36:49 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Secret Agent Man; Inyo-Mono
They can’t build the saturn 5 anymore. Dont know how, and no one makes the engines.

There's no need to rebuild the Saturn 5 rocket. Today's rocket technology is much superior. This is like rebuilding the 1969 Plymouth Road Runner.

33 posted on 11/14/2024 12:05:34 AM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: SuperLuminal; camle; Alkhin; Professional Engineer; katana; Mr. Silverback; MadIvan; ...
Maybe a video of that project would make a great episode for Red Dwarf...

Red Dwarf Ping!


34 posted on 11/14/2024 12:30:40 AM PST by null and void (4B - improving the gene pool one lonely night at a time...)
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To: chud

New tagline...


35 posted on 11/14/2024 12:34:15 AM PST by null and void ( Every political system is flawed, and all bureaucracies are corrupt. ~ chud)
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To: BenLurkin

the days of the government-only space business have eclipsed, with nary a t a x dollar to prove its worth, except in probes.


36 posted on 11/14/2024 12:39:24 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Macho MAGA Man
I believe that you are referring to the NASA Michoud assembly facility in New Orleans. As a student at Tulane University in the early 1970s, I would see it as a large, gleaming white building to the south as I drove on I-10. That puts your father and I in New Orleans at roughly the same time.
37 posted on 11/14/2024 12:47:39 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Polaris Dawn mission
On September 10, 2024, the Polaris Dawn mission reached an orbit of 870.4 miles, breaking the 1966 record for the farthest Earth-orbiting crewed spacecraft.


38 posted on 11/14/2024 12:52:33 AM PST by Theophilus (covfefe)
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To: Theophilus
On September 10, 2024, the Polaris Dawn mission reached an orbit of 870.4 miles

I was not tracking this mission, thank you.

39 posted on 11/14/2024 12:56:44 AM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Inyo-Mono

Because modern technology is better in almost every way as Musk shows on a daily basis. But technology starts with what works and makes it better. Idiots are the ones who think they can just plan their way to something that works without lots of testing and figuring out what’s wrong and how to fix it. It’s hard work. That’s the part that idiot central planners don’t want to understand. Lik e Einstein said, genius is 99% perspiration. No one is smart enough to figure out everything Mother Nature has planned for you. So you test, and you learn, and you get better.


40 posted on 11/14/2024 12:58:56 AM PST by AndyJackson
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