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High-schooler got a D after using AI for history paper so his parents sued
Tribune News Service ^ | unnamed

Posted on 10/19/2024 9:35:28 AM PDT by Rio

Shortly after their son received a D grade for using AI on a history paper at Hingham High School, his parents filed suit — claiming that “artificial intelligence is here to stay.”

The Harris boy and his partner were able to get only into the preliminary stages of the project when Petrie’s “spot check” of their work revealed the presence of AI-generated content. The teacher accused them of cheating, according to the complaint.

Petrie and Andrew Hoey, the head of the school’s history department, told the students they would have to each start new projects separately, could not use any of their previous work, and could not use AI at all.

The student at the heart of the complaint received a 0/20 for the notes portion of his project, a 0/30 on the rough draft portion and a 65/100 on the final paper — a D, “despite the fact he was forced to restart the project from scratch and never having received a grade this low on a final written project.”

The complaint argues that the use of AI was not explicitly barred by the teacher or the school’s Academic Integrity policy in effect at the time in question.

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: Education; Science
KEYWORDS: ai; arth; education; oregon
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To: BobL

“So does the head of the school’s history department have two heads are something? Maybe a ‘split personality’, or perhaps ‘in transition’?’

No, they are two different people.

Susan Petrie is the teacher and Andrew Hoey is the head of the history department.


21 posted on 10/19/2024 9:58:35 AM PDT by Round Earther
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To: Rio

Parents need their asses kicked.


22 posted on 10/19/2024 10:01:42 AM PDT by dljordan (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: Rio

Kirk reveals that he beat the Kobayashi Maru


23 posted on 10/19/2024 10:02:02 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Time to throw them out of the Temple...again)
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To: plain talk

The story was published by an Oregon outlet, but the conduct giving rise to the controversy took place in Massachusetts, where it is being litigated.


24 posted on 10/19/2024 10:05:32 AM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

Thanks. That’s even worse.


25 posted on 10/19/2024 10:10:05 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: caver

i use chat gpt every day and i encourage my children to use it at school


26 posted on 10/19/2024 10:12:20 AM PDT by impimp ( )
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To: Rio

The little git’s mistake was that he was too lazy to editorialize and modify the content the AI generated content.


27 posted on 10/19/2024 10:14:00 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: Fresh Wind

[[so much so that he is in the process of applying early action or early decision to elite colleges]]

Yep agreed- Sounds very AI-


28 posted on 10/19/2024 10:14:05 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Rio

AP history class paper on Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s civil rights work. A worthy subject with an eye roll thrown in.


29 posted on 10/19/2024 10:16:58 AM PDT by CaptainK ("No matter how cynical you get, it is impossible to keep up” )
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To: Rio

Too many American parents are cheating idiots themselves...


30 posted on 10/19/2024 10:25:35 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

I know a guy who could be a father to kid like that.

Too cheap to pay for anything.


31 posted on 10/19/2024 10:27:48 AM PDT by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure..)
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To: Rio; All

It would be instructive should the judge order that all the students of said teacher doing th history paper/project be subjected to a forensic search for AI material...not just the student in question. I believe it might be a revealing effort. If multiple students have used AI, then the question will come down to why this student was singled out but not the whole class!


32 posted on 10/19/2024 10:28:09 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: Fresh Wind

“It sounds like they used AI to write this tripe.”

That’s the whole problem. There’s nothing wrong with using AI to gather resources in one place and then, on one’s own, to read those sources and use them to write a paper or a legal brief or a law review article. However, the true sin comes in when a wannabe writer tells AI to write a history paper, a legal brief, or a legal article. At that point the work product is not the ostensible author’s own work. Also, at least in the legal area, one or two truly lazy and inept attorneys have turned in AI generated briefs that didn’t even properly cite the apparent cases. Here of course, the student was being trained to do proper historical research, reach his own conclusions, and wright a comprehensible essay about it. Having AI actually do the work defeated the whole purpose of the assignment, leaving the student as ignorant and lazy as he was before he started.


33 posted on 10/19/2024 10:30:12 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

In a few years it will be much easier to spot kids using AI.

The paper will be too brilliant—and the teacher will not understand it.

Lol.


34 posted on 10/19/2024 10:33:07 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: Rio

.....”artificial intelligence is here to stay.”........

But the purpose of schooling is to train HUMAN intelligence!

One who uses AI instead deserves a big F—not a D! It’s a kind of plagiarism!


35 posted on 10/19/2024 10:35:58 AM PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: Round Earther

That brings up the question of why a high school needs various departments with department heads. Seems like a lot of unnecessary administrators, unless a department head also does a full load of classroom teaching.


36 posted on 10/19/2024 10:41:42 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: CaptainK

Don’t forget his work in commercial aviation.


37 posted on 10/19/2024 10:46:32 AM PDT by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure..)
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To: GeorgianaCavendish
Yup...a few months after I graduated from high school I came upon a class mate who recognized me and he looked depressed. He said that he had benefitted by some shenannigans with officials at the school that allowed grades to be altered and that he had been moved ahead several steps in class rank along with a few others. He said I should be real angry as he knew that I had been shifted back at least 5 or 6 steps. He felt really guilty about this and wondered what he could do about it. I never found out what the quid pro quos were and what was required of the students involved but it did involve teachers/counselors.(Bribes? Perhaps kids of free Masons and other such organizations that were big in our town? I knew of one gay guidance counselor so who knows! ) Anyway when he expressed remorse(apparently he was able to get into a college with some scholarship) and asked me what i thought...I said to him "So you find yourself in a better situation by dishonest means. I tell you what you do with that...ask God for forgiveness then apply yourself as best as you can to make a good showing for the betterment of others. There's no going back now...learn from this! That will be payment enough for me"
38 posted on 10/19/2024 10:47:29 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: cgbg

True, another point that was made by a rhetoric teacher of mine in college freshman rhetoric was and is that each individual has his or her own writing style. That woman was so good at spotting it that she said she knew a paper was written by a given individual once she had seen two or three other papers written by the same person. That’s the problem with AI from the standpoint of the cheater. It’s not going to be able to mimic the cheater’s writing style unless it has a good sample of the cheater’s actual work. If you doubt the point I make about consistency of writing style, just look at Pres. Trump’s tweets. They express lots of different ideas but in the same basic, highly individualistic way.


39 posted on 10/19/2024 10:51:54 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: mdmathis6

Good answer—paying it forward to help others is an excellent penance for past misdeeds.


40 posted on 10/19/2024 10:53:30 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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