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Trump-Vance Is Making Something Very Clear About Trumpism
The New York Times ^ | Sept. 5, 2024, 5:02 a.m. ET | Noah Millman

Posted on 09/05/2024 10:35:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

Since his selection as Donald Trump’s running mate, Senator JD Vance has performed poorly on most metrics by which we judge vice-presidential nominees. He has never been noted for his charisma, and his attacks and insults have rendered him exceptionally unpopular.

But he was not picked for traditional political reasons, like electoral strength in a swing state or being the ambassador to a needed voting bloc. It may be hard to recall after weeks of talk about “cat ladies,” but Mr. Vance, as much as virtually anyone else in Mr. Trump’s orbit, has tried to put ideological and policy meat on the MAGA bones. Mr. Vance was positioned to be MAGA’s overseer of the so-called deep state, the one who would make sure that, this time around, things would really change. Whether or not he became Mr. Trump’s heir, he would make sure that there would be a Trumpism beyond Mr. Trump.

But can there be a Trumpism beyond Mr. Trump? The idea — which appeals to many on the right who agree with the Trumpist turn on immigration, trade and foreign policy but also see Mr. Trump’s unfitness for office — may be an impossible dream in principle and not only because of Mr. Trump’s practical inescapability.

Mr. Trump’s persona has been the essence of his appeal — his policies matter more for the way they create and sustain that persona than they do for their substantive impact. It is intimately bound up with his anti-institutional posturing, his claim to be the one man who can defeat the system. That is a very difficult thing to institutionalize or even to hand off to a successor.

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Since his selection as Donald Trump’s running mate, Senator JD Vance has performed poorly on most metrics by which we judge vice-presidential nominees. He has never been noted for his charisma, and his attacks and insults have rendered him exceptionally unpopular.

None of that is even remotely true.

Since Timmy Tampon is swirling the drain they have to pretend Vance is, too.

1 posted on 09/05/2024 10:35:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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“Vance has performed poorly on most metrics by which we judge vice-presidential nominees. He has never been noted for his charisma, and his attacks and insults have rendered him exceptionally unpopular.”

No need to read any further!

Just another lapdog piece for Team Throat GOAT.


2 posted on 09/05/2024 10:38:13 AM PDT by simpson96
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“All the news we fit to print.”


3 posted on 09/05/2024 10:38:39 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

so-called deep state?

Is the Slimes trying to deny that the deep state exists now? Weren't they formerly trying to convince us that the deep state is awesome?


4 posted on 09/05/2024 10:45:57 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

i had the same concerns as noah

would MAGA end with Trump?

i had the same concerns until Trump picked Vance


5 posted on 09/05/2024 10:47:38 AM PDT by joshua c
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

NYT is scared...


6 posted on 09/05/2024 10:47:48 AM PDT by jeffc (Resident of the free State of Florida)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The writer of this article is playing make-believe.


7 posted on 09/05/2024 10:50:24 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism. )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I count SEVEN lies in that first sentence.


8 posted on 09/05/2024 10:51:37 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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would MAGA end with Trump?
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I think that is completely dependent on how the entire ticket does this time around. If Trump wins and the right carries the senate and house…then MAGA will last a while.

If Trump loses a close race and the R’s take the senate and blocks Harris for four years, it is likely that the MAGA wing will have power to spend in ‘28.

If Trump loses and there is no Red Wave… MAGA will be tossed in the dumpster.

Right now the Senate looks good. The House is still a question. Trump looks “ok”. I think the MAGA wing will need a new player—not Trump. No one is Trump. The question starting the day after the inauguration is who is going to lead that wing of the party, and how will they do it?


9 posted on 09/05/2024 10:55:24 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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Mr. Trump’s persona has been the essence of his appeal — his policies matter more for the way they create and sustain that persona than they do for their substantive impact.

One of the most stupid statements I've ever read. People support Trump because he came along and stated policy positions many voters believed were best for this country, but which had been rejected by most in both parties for years.

10 posted on 09/05/2024 10:57:38 AM PDT by Will88 ((The only people opposing voter ID are those benefiting from voter fraud.))
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“But can there be a Trumpism beyond Mr. Trump? “

The unique thing about Trump isn’t what he believes, rather it is how tough he is when he expresses those completely traditional thoughts and is viciously and unfairly and illegally attacked.

Vance will be fine.


11 posted on 09/05/2024 10:58:10 AM PDT by TalBlack (Fight Fight Fight America https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKOJdMog6T0)
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“ but also see Mr. Trump’s unfitness for office”

Says the “newspaper” that is unfit even for lining bird cages.


12 posted on 09/05/2024 11:00:38 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (Peak crazy is almost here.)
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Trump picked Vance when his opponent was Biden. I think Trump considered his win a shoe-in at that point. He picked Vance to be an excellent vice president and a possible successor. I do not think Trump picked Vance to help win this election. A female might have helped him more. I hope Trump wins anyway.


13 posted on 09/05/2024 11:00:39 AM PDT by Freee-dame ( )
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If Biden was cogent enough to write a hit piece, this NY Times hit piece is the piece he would write. Congratulations to the Times for channeling their former candidate.


14 posted on 09/05/2024 11:01:06 AM PDT by chuckee
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and his attacks and insults have rendered him exceptionally unpopular.

Only among people who hate him anyway and would never vote for him because they oppose everything that needs to happen in this country.

We don't care about these people. We *WANT* them to hate him, because they are sh*tty people and deserve the pain they will feel when he wins.

15 posted on 09/05/2024 11:01:18 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Mr. Trump’s persona has been the essence of his appeal — his policies matter more for the way they create and sustain that persona than they do for their substantive impact.

In a way the Times is coorect: Unless Trump and the GOP can do something about the Civil Service Act the bureaucracy will simply wait them out.

The real key is to fix the universities, and the left's Achilles heel there is accrediation.

16 posted on 09/05/2024 11:01:41 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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I think Vance has handled himself incredibly well. Particularly with Kristen Welker and Dana Bash.


17 posted on 09/05/2024 11:04:09 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people avoid it.)
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Senator JD Vance has performed poorly on most metrics by which we judge vice-presidential nominees.

What you mean by "we", Kemosabe?
18 posted on 09/05/2024 11:04:53 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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“It may be hard to recall after weeks of talk about “cat ladies,” but Mr. Vance, as much as virtually anyone else in Mr. Trump’s orbit, has tried to put ideological and policy meat on the MAGA bones.”

The “talk” about “cat ladies” has been entirely from the media, and Vance was pretty accurate in what he actually said. Also, why is “virtually” in there? Who else, apart from Trump, is even close? Oh, and “tried?” MAGA has plenty of policy behind it, and a track record. To the extent that they have tried, they have succeeded.


19 posted on 09/05/2024 11:06:08 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Flush twice. Biden is a particularly big turd.)
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For entertainment purposes only.


20 posted on 09/05/2024 11:06:08 AM PDT by HIDEK6 (God bless Donald Trump)
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