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New discoveries in human origins
YouTube ^ | July 19, 2024 | Lee Berger | Porto | GLEX ignition 2024

Posted on 08/04/2024 3:17:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Paleoanthropologist Lee Berger revealed details about the fascinating discovery in South Africa of remains belonging to a previously unknown species of pre-humans, dating back over two million years.

Numerous traces of this species were found in an underground chamber in Dinaledi, leading to the conclusion that it served as a burial site—a ritual previously thought to be exclusively human. Subsequent evidence of stone tools and even the use of fire were also discovered, indicating a species the size of a chimpanzee that predates the Neanderthals.
Lee Berger | New discoveries in human origins
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Lee Berger | New discoveries in human origins | Porto | GLEX ignition 2024 | 31:33 | GLEX Summit | 1.62K subscribers | 168,357 views | July 19, 2024

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: australopithecussebi; godsgravesglyphs; homonaledi; humanorigins; leeberger; paleoanthropology
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To: PIF
Since when do monkeys exhale carbon monoxide ?

Oops! Thanks for pointing that out.

Never-the-less, without more context of how the remains were oriented, it could have been a troop of monkeys seeking shelter and succumbing to carbon dioxide poisoning.

41 posted on 08/05/2024 9:33:24 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

succumbing to carbon dioxide poisoning.


Except that the cave system has air flow or the scientists would all be dead too.


42 posted on 08/05/2024 9:40:01 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yes, thank you for posting this. I have read the man’s book. It is a fascinating story. How you carry on through all the unscientific nonsense posted here astonishes me.

And yes some of what he says is speculative, but every good scientist expects other good scientists who find stuff and are careful about what they are doing and have had the opportunity to think about what they have found to speculate on explanations for these things, because after all who is better positioned to put forward hypotheses and conclusions. I would guess that Berger would be the last person to suggest that his speculations are unchallengeable settled conclusions. He is not a fraud or a crank for putting these things forward.


43 posted on 08/05/2024 10:17:40 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
Thanks AJ! Good comments! I've been on low-dose lisinopril for a few years, that's helped. ;^)

44 posted on 08/05/2024 10:26:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: PIF; SunkenCiv; zeestephen
Except that the cave system has air flow or the scientists would all be dead too.

Yet we don't know they didn't have an exhaust fan hooked into a nearby vent hole. From the description of the fissure system, he would have been criminally negligent had a means of ventilation not been provided.

The description of how deep into the system the remains were discovered also seems incongruous with the guy's interpretation.

an impossible-to-reach cave almost 250 meters into a system, almost 36 meters below the surface, but only after you descended through a chute-like slit and labyrinth narrowing to 16 to 18 centimeters in places, averaging 20 centimeters.
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You then climb up this fallen rock face, climbing back up about 15 meters in height. If you fall over either side, you die. And there you enter the chute. Now it begins to get really hard. Now you have to descend. And I want you to look at Steve. Look at the width of his helmet. This is the easiest and widest part. You will journey 12 meters down vertically, traversing 6 meters at the same time, where your legs, your pelvis, your chest, your head, and your arms are in different positions all the way down. It's easy going down; getting up is another thing. No ropes, no nothing. Nothing will fit.
So, we are suppossed to believe these grief stricken creatures risked their own life by first scaling a 3 story cliff while carrying a dead body?? Then they pushed-pulled-dragged their dead down through openings averaging 8 inches but narrowing to 6-7 inches in diameter, 36 meters down and 250 meters inside for purpose of depositing their remains???
Carving deep into a rock that is 4.7 on the Mohs hardness scale. A fingernail is about 2.5.
Ok so what made those carvings and when? Something harder than the rock surface was required to make the described marks. Certainly fragments of the tools should have been discovered. He conveniently didn't comment on what might have made the marks.

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Because when I looked up, I saw cache and soot on the ceiling. My explorers had never looked up. The evidence for fire was right above them. Simultaneously with that discovery, my mentee, Dr. Keneiloe Molopyane, was leading an excavation in Dragon's Back, where we used to kit up, and she found a fire hearth at the same moment. Burnt bone was then found throughout.
No mention of the fire remains being carbon dated. So we just assume no one ever came along more recently seeking shelter and lit a fire??

Sorry but I believe there are completely different ways of interpreting this site than what this Indiana Jones wannabe claims.

45 posted on 08/05/2024 11:17:53 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

You certainly are the skeptic. Even to the name calling

Your theory does not hold water and seems composed mostly of hot air. You figure it out.


46 posted on 08/05/2024 11:40:46 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF
Your theory does not hold water and seems composed mostly of hot air. You figure it out.

What theory of mine?? How so??

Where aside from questioning the description did I propose an alternate theory?

My comments were directed at the description.

If based on the description it seems perfectly reasonable to you that over time, these creatures were one-by-one carried, pushed, pulled and dragged upwards of 250 meters through 6-7 inch passages to their final resting place, fine but I remain skeptical.

47 posted on 08/05/2024 12:05:02 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

They didn’t have an exhaust fan hooked into a nearby vent hole, because they didn’t have exhaust fans. The rest of your post is similarly speculative opinion.


48 posted on 08/05/2024 12:06:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv
They didn’t have an exhaust fan hooked into a nearby vent hole, because they didn’t have exhaust fans.

Perhaps but help me out, where did he address ventilation anywhere? If he did, I missed it in the description.

The rest of your post is similarly speculative opinion.

Where was there any speculative opinion? The presenter is the one who said the fissure opening was up nearly four stories on the side of a cliff.

So, as part of these creatures funeral transport, the body would first have needed to be somehow carried to the opening nearly four stories up a cliff face. Perhaps a body could have been carried down the cliff face to the opening but we are not told how much farther up from the opening the cliff went.

Whether by climbing the cliff face or descending, once at the opening, there was no possibility of reverent carry. The body had to be pushed-pulled-dragged in inky darkness through "a chute" averaging less than 8 inches but at times as little as 6-7 inches for 250 meters.

That's his explanation not mine.

That was a lot of energy expenditure.

49 posted on 08/05/2024 12:37:30 PM PDT by fso301
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To: bert; marktwain
And, while making the connection from an outlier into an unexplored main passage of The Mammoth Cave, literally miles from the entrance, bare foot prints were observed in the mud.

Without additional context, who is to say the footprints were not made by someone who initially may have had a torch, or perhaps he had no torch but was fleeing from others who did. For whatever reason he became lost, disoriented and once the light went out wandered through the inky darkness to his death? But perhaps he eventually found his way out.

50 posted on 08/05/2024 1:13:37 PM PDT by fso301
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To: ifinnegan; Red Badger; SunkenCiv

“Settled science, eh?”
^

There’s no such thing as “settled science”.

Science moves on in spite of Fauci and Gore.

For example, I have a suggestion for one of our anthropologists who needs a paper to qualify for a PhD:

We know from exhaustive DNA unraveling, all modern humans possess genes from their “caveman” Neanderthal precursors.

Can the obvious defects Dims are showing (besides cat-ownership, that is) be attributed to an “overstatement” of Neanderthal genes?


51 posted on 08/05/2024 2:08:54 PM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦......Say it fast...Kamala D. Harris = KALAMITY Harris...)
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To: ifinnegan; Red Badger; SunkenCiv

“Settled science, eh?”
^

There’s no such thing as “settled science”.

Science moves on in spite of Fauci and Gore.

For example, I have a suggestion for one of our anthropologists who needs a paper to qualify for a PhD:

We know from exhaustive DNA unraveling, all modern humans possess genes from their “caveman” Neanderthal precursors.

Can the obvious defects Dims are showing (besides cat-ownership, that is) be attributed to an “overstatement” of Neanderthal genes?


52 posted on 08/05/2024 2:08:54 PM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦......Say it fast...Kamala D. Harris = KALAMITY Harris...)
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To: Does so

Yup — “settled science” is a political term.


53 posted on 08/05/2024 4:11:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Does so; SunkenCiv

All modern humans (except Africans) possess genes from Neanderthal precursors.


54 posted on 08/06/2024 9:07:10 PM PDT by gleeaikin ( Question authority as you provide links;)
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To: Inyo-Mono; SunkenCiv; Red Badger; blam

In the 7th paragraph from the bottom, the writer speaks about the Mohs Scale of Hardness. This link contains a chart of hardness number of various natural objects, and human artifacts that can be used to test the approximate age of mineral substances. The author speaks of how hard the rock was that these hominids were cutting into. Actual quartz crystals (around 7) and other common rocks are often much harder than the 4.5 rock that was dug into, so it would not have been too hard for these hominids to do that work.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/mohs-hardness-scale.htm#:~:text=The%20title%2C%20Mohs%20Hardness%20Scale,2%3B%20and%20Talc%2C%20

One anomaly I have been interested in is recent discoveries in the Kow Marsh in southern Australia. If I remember correctly, these were found to be of an age around 10,000 old, but of a skeletal type more like an erectus form of Homo, rather than the more modern native Australians who appear to have arrived around 40 to 50 thousand years ago. So were these a remnant earlier species who were driven south over 30,000 years and finally killed or died out?


55 posted on 08/06/2024 10:31:50 PM PDT by gleeaikin ( Question authority as you provide links;)
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To: gleeaikin; Red Badger; blam; SunkenCiv

News to me, so I had to look it up.

Relatively fresh news:

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/01/30/new-study-identifies-neanderthal-ancestry-african-populations-and-describes-its


56 posted on 08/06/2024 11:48:22 PM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦......Say it fast...Kamala D. Harris = KALAMITY Harris...)
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To: Does so; gleeaikin; blam

Thanks!


57 posted on 08/06/2024 11:54:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: gleeaikin

Probably just died out...................


58 posted on 08/07/2024 5:35:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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