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Thomas Jefferson's Second Declaration (draft, 1825)
National Archives ^ | December 1825 | Thomas Jefferson

Posted on 07/04/2024 7:23:00 AM PDT by Who is John Galt?

The solemn Declaration and Protest of the Commonwealth of Virginia on the principles of the Constitution of the US. of America & on the violations of them.

We the General assembly of Virginia, on behalf, and in the name, of the people thereof do declare as follows.

The states in N. America which confederated to establish their independance on the government of Great Britain, of which Virginia was one, became, on that acquisition, free and independant states, and as such authorised to constitute governments, each for itself, in such form as it thought best.

They entered into a compact (which is called the Constitution of the US. of America) by which they agreed to unite in a single government as to their relations with each other, and with foreign nations, and as to certain other articles particularly specified. they retained at the same time, each to itself, the other rights of independant government comprehending mainly their domestic interests.

For the administration of their Federal branch they agreed to appoint, in conjunction, a distinct set of functionaries, legislative, executive and judiciary, in the manner settled in that compact: while to each severally and of course, remained it’s original right of appointing, each for itself, a separate set of functionaries, legislative, executive and judiciary also, for administering the Domestic branch of their respective governments.

These two sets of officers, each independant of the other, constitute thus a whole of government, for each state separately, the powers ascribed to the one, as specifically made federal, exercisable over the whole, the residuary powers, retained to the other, exercisable exclusively over it’s particular state, foreign herein, each to the others, as they were before their original compact.

To this construction of government & distribution of it’s powers, the Commonwealth of Virginia does religiously and affectionately adhere, opposing, with equal fidelity and firmness, the usurpation of either set of functionaries on the rightful powers of the other.

But the federal branch has, assumed in some cases, and claimed in others, a right of enlarging it’s own powers by constructions, inferences, and indefinite deductions, from those directly given, which this assembly does declare to be usurpations of the powers retained to the independant branches, mere interpolations into the compact, and direct infractions of it.

They claim, for example, and have commenced the exercise of a right to construct roads, open canals, & effect other internal improvements, within the territories and jurisdictions exclusively belonging to the several states, which this assembly does declare has not been given to that branch by the constitutional compact, but remain to each state among it’s domestic and unalienated powers, exercisable within itself, and by it’s domestic authorities alone.

This assembly does further disavow, and declare to be most false and unfounded, the doctrine that the compact, in authorising it’s federal branch to lay and collect taxes duties, imposts and excises to pay the debts and provide for the common defence of general welfare of the US. has given them thereby a power to do whatever they may think, or pretend, would promote the general welfare, which construction would make that, of itself, a complete government, without limitation of powers; but that the plain sense and obvious meaning was that they might levy the taxes necessary to provide for the general welfare by the various acts of power therein specified and delegated to them, and by no others.

Nor is it admitted, as had been said, that the people of these states, by not investing their federal branch with all the means of bettering their condition, have denied to themselves any which may effect that purpose; since, in the distribution of these means, they have given to that branch those which belong to it’s department, and to the states have reserved separately the residue which belong to them separately. and thus by the organization of the two branches taken together, have completely secured the first object of human association, the full improvement of their condition, and reserve to themselves all the faculties of multiplying their own blessings.

Whilst the General assembly thus declares the rights retained by the states, rights which they have never yielded and which this state will never voluntarily yield, they do not mean to raise the banner of disaffection, or of separation from their sister-states, co-parties with themselves to this compact. they know and value too highly the blessings of their union as to foreign nations and questions arising among themselves, to consider every infraction as to be met by actual resistance; they respect too affectionately the opinions of those possessing the same rights under the same instrument, to make every difference of construction a ground of immediate rupture. they would indeed consider such a rupture as among the greatest calamities which could befall them; but not the greatest. there is yet one greater, submission to a government of unlimited powers. it is only when the hope of avoiding this shall become absolutely desperate, that further forbearance could not be indulged. should a majority of the co-parties therefore, contrary to the expectation and hope of this assembly, prefer, at this time, acquiescence in these assumptions of power by the federal member of the government, we will be patient and suffer much, under the confidence that time, ere it be too late, will prove to them also the bitter consequences in which this usurpation will involve us all. in the mean while we will breast with them, rather than separate from them, every misfortune save that only of living under a government of unlimited powers. we owe every other sacrifice to ourselves, to our federal brethren, and to the world at large, to pursue with temper and perseverance the great experiment which shall prove that man is capable of living in society, governing itself by laws self-imposed, and securing to it’s members the enjoyment of life, liberty, property and peace; and further to shew that even when the government of it’s choice shall shew a tendency to degeneracy, we are not at once to despair but that the will & the watchfulness of it’s sounder parts will reform it’s aberrations, recall it to original and legitimate principles, and restrain it within the rightful limits of self-government. and these are the objects of this Declaration and Protest.

Supposing therin that it might be for the good of the whole, as some of it’s Co-states seem to think, that the power of making roads and canals should be added to those directly given to the federal branch, as more likely to be systematically and beneficially directed, than by the independant action of the several states, this Commonwealth, from respect to these opinions, and a desire of conciliation with it’s Co-states, will consent, in concurrence with them, to make this addition, provided it be done regularly by an amendment of the compact, in the way established by that instrument, and provided also it be sufficiently guarded against abuses, compromises, and corrupt practices, not only of possible, but of probable occurrence.

And As a further pledge of the sincere and cordial attachment of this commonwealth to the Union of the whole so far as has been consented to by the compact called ‘the Constitution of the US. of America,’ (construed according to the plain and ordinary meaning of it’s language, to the common intendment of the time, and of those who framed it) to give also to all parties and authorities time for reflection, and for consideration whether, under a temperate view of the possible consequences, and especially of the constant obstructions which an equivocal majority must ever expect to meet, they will still prefer the assumption of this power rather than it’s acceptance from the free will of their constituents, and to preserve peace in the mean while, we proceed to make it the duty of our citizens, until the legislature shall otherwise & ultimately, decide, to acquiesce under those acts of the federal branch of our government which we have declared to be usurpations, and against which, in point of right, we do protest as null and void, and never to be quoted as precedents of right.

We therefore do enact, and be tt enacted by the General assembly of Virginia that all citizens of this commonwealth, and persons and authorities within the same, shall pay full obedience at all times to the Acts which may be past by the Congress of the US. the object of which shall be the construction of post roads, making canals of navigation, and maintaining the same, in any part of the US. in like manner as if the said acts were, totidem verbis past by the legislature of this commonwealth.


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1 posted on 07/04/2024 7:23:00 AM PDT by Who is John Galt?
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Everybody should read the anti Federalist papers. Patrick Henry for one expressly objected to the “General Welfare” clause and pointed out there were no express limits to it.

That’s exactly what Jefferson is getting at here. Jefferson also expressed the view that the single biggest oversight in the Constitution was the lack of a limitation on the federal government’s ability to borrow money. He was of course, 100% correct about that.


2 posted on 07/04/2024 7:26:29 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Who is John Galt?

Future read


3 posted on 07/04/2024 7:35:32 AM PDT by exnavy
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To: FLT-bird

I wonder whether the Louisiana purchase was undertaken under general welfare reasoning


4 posted on 07/04/2024 7:44:22 AM PDT by sopo
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To: FLT-bird
Patrick Henry for one expressly objected to the “General Welfare” clause and pointed out there were no express limits to it.

He also took exception to the treaty power. His main objection was that there was no specified penalty for Federal officers violating Constitutional limitations.

I'm with him on that one. See tag line.

5 posted on 07/04/2024 7:46:45 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: FLT-bird

“General welfare” in the preamble is only a statement of the intent of the Constitution and is not an enumerated power delegated by the Constitution to the feds by the states and the people.

The enumerated powers in the body of the Constitution are listed mostly in Art. I, Sec. 8.

Proper application of the Constitution is as written and originally understood and intended.


6 posted on 07/04/2024 7:58:53 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: sopo
Jefferson had doubts about the constitutionality of the Louisiana Purchase...but it was too tempting to turn down.

Just attended a reading of the Declaration of Independence at the local court house (an annual event for many years organized by the local chapters of the DAR and the SAR). Listening to the offenses of which King George was accused made me think how trivial many of them were compared to what we allow the federal government to do nowadays. What would the Founding Fathers think of present-day Americans?

7 posted on 07/04/2024 8:15:16 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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This was posted on FR already back when it was published. Search still works!


8 posted on 07/04/2024 8:19:23 AM PDT by Sarcazmo (I live by the Golden Rule. As applied by others; I'm not selfish.)
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To: FLT-bird

Exactly correct— the “General Welfare” has been stretched into TOTAL Welfare delivered (doled out) to the undeserving and non-taxpaying non-productive elements of States signed to the “Compact”.

Jefferson was NO friend to a National Bank, conceived and executed by Alexander Hamilton, ironically shot in a duel by Burr who was pursued by President Jefferson for true insurrection against the Constitutional powers. Arrested him- trying to create his own country in... Mexico!

From the get go- Jefferson and Hamilton did not get along well (for that matter neither did John Adams and Hamilton over a different part of the banksters plots against the States).

This clip from Hbo’s “Adams” is a well written discussion of the “Bank” between Jefferson (newly returned from Amb. to France) and Hamilton- it is a saver- whom is beholden to whom?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy7FJJ_ud84

The greater the debt the greater the foreign credit!!!!! Yeah right.

And this later between Adams and Hamilton over foreign policy and.. armies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaWBs46USqE

In memory RIP of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams who both passed away... on July 4th,1826! Two giants who renewed their friendship over ripped asunder political evilry between them. Two FOUNDERS, and... geniuses.

Note that the first secession was threatened by New England states- which they have long ago neatly forgotten. The first real destructors of our Constitutional Republic. As the Progressives of New England have been since before Woodrow Wilson.


9 posted on 07/04/2024 8:21:44 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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Yes, Jefferson of all people believed they had fought and labored to have independence and to have a national government of LIMITED powers.

The founders generation knew that their problems arose witin a system - the British system of the day - where they was few limits on the powers of the king and his government, even with his parliament.


10 posted on 07/04/2024 8:36:10 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Verginius Rufus

Well spoken, Verginius! My prior post concerns two of the giants of our Founders who composed the Declaration of Independence, and Jefferson (one year before his death, today in 1826) re-affirming the relationship of Virginia to the Constitution and the limits accepted by limited affirmation of “roads and canals” built by the Federal govt- and ONLY that.

Look indeed to the vast wasteland imposed by a profligate and detached fedgov of unionized employees of agencies created whole cloth by... political parties. Immigration out of control to bring in— stupid labor not familiar with our Constitution at all and whose main task is to pay into the Socialist Security system set up by FDR (and his “second Bill of Rights speech is one for the archives as the road map to our current destruction, for certain).
It is up to those who love the Founding and this Country, as
“Vox populi panis et circi late est”.

Be well,Verginius Rufus.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.”
—Marcus Tullio Cicero


11 posted on 07/04/2024 8:37:24 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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Re: the first video. This is all correct. The banking interests were concentrated in the North and thus the North was always far more keen on centralization as it would benefit them directly.

What they did not bring up in this clip is that the Southern states - being far wealthier - had paid off their debts. The Northern states had not. So nationalizing the debt effectively meant the Southern states would be subsidizing the Northern states. It started right from the very beginning. The Northern states were looking to squeeze money and power out of the Southern states from day one. This is what came to a head in 1860.

12 posted on 07/04/2024 8:44:55 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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Bfl


13 posted on 07/04/2024 8:50:04 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not "Quiet Quitting" -- it's "Going Galt".)
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To: FLT-bird

When he agreed to buy Louisiana from Napoleon, whose money did he spend, and from whom was it borrowed?


14 posted on 07/04/2024 8:55:00 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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Yes indeed— the “redistribution of wealth” in the form of taxes to “pay a war debt” incurred by loans made by the National Bank was to put all the States back in debt within the Compact of the Constitution. It was un Constitutional then and... stil is. Northern states sucking the pockets of the self- sufficient and paid up Southern— that is how it started. Keeping in mind that New England still had slavery when Jefferson came back from his ambassadorship to France.

The mercantile Hamilton (who was a bastard from the Caribbean trying to “be” somebody) had his hands all over this. The Bank did much to ruin our Constitutional Republic, as it does now. Chartered by Congress, and the 1913 Fed was renewed in 2013 for another 100 years— by obamaumao the first (a creation of the Saud/Muslim Brotherhood).


15 posted on 07/04/2024 9:08:18 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Sarcazmo
This was posted on FR already back when it was published. Search still works!

I think this version has been 'updated' more recently by the National Archives, by the addition of typos ("SOLEMN DECLARATION AND PROTECT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF VA" - see their web site).

;>)

16 posted on 07/04/2024 9:20:53 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: Verginius Rufus

Certainly La purchase and other territorial expansion was the largest domestic policy expansion with the greatest rewards of all time. I love a quote I read years ago, the past is a foreign land.


17 posted on 07/04/2024 9:24:38 AM PDT by sopo
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Heh... practicing in case I ever get my dream job of discussion board administrator.


18 posted on 07/04/2024 9:25:38 AM PDT by Sarcazmo (I live by the Golden Rule. As applied by others; I'm not selfish.)
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"When you assume the appearance of power, people soon give it to you." - Rothschild

Child: Bro, you're not free.

Elephant: I am too.

Child: But what about that rope there?

Elephant: Oh, that's always been there. I'm fine.

19 posted on 07/04/2024 9:26:58 AM PDT by conservativeimage (Divorce the Deep State and Reconstruct Civilian Government: https://tasa.americanstatenationals.org)
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To: sopo
Just looked that up in "Bartlett's Quotations."

"The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there."

Attributed to Lesley Poles Hartley (1895-1972), prologue to The Go-Between (1953)

20 posted on 07/04/2024 9:38:53 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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