Posted on 06/20/2024 2:49:20 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Ukraine DESTROYS 3 Major Russian Oil Facilities; Putin LASHES Out | Breaking News With The Enforcer The Enforcer Jun 20, 2024 4:00 p.m. EDT 11:21 Minutes
Today, we learn that Ukraine hit three oil depot/refineries in Russia overnight. Ukrainian attack drones successfully struck a Russian Lukoil oil depot in Krasnodar Krai this morning, setting the facility ablaze.
We also learn that South Korea has begun considering sending arms and military aid to Ukraine in an unprecedented move. As a result of North Korea's new defensive pact, the South Koreans are becoming concerned of the possibility of war breaking out on the Korean Peninsula.
We have also heard that Russia is considering changing its nuclear doctrine from defensive to a "first-strike" doctrine. Putin continues to escalate the war in Ukraine as tensions continue to rise around the world.
Same old hoke, but it’s helpful to see it all in one post. Already fisked it, I’m moving on.
ARMY of DRONES CHART [images explained]
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4245639/posts?page=300#300
As can be seen from the infographic, over the past two weeks, UAV strike units have hit:
353 Russian trucks, 51 tanks and 175 guns.
In addition, 18 SPGs, 26 ammunition/fuel depots, and 4 MLRS were destroyed.
It is worth noting that:
* the report includes data from the NSU company, the SBU unit and 15 companies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 1 Division of the State Special Communications Service
** In addition, Fedorov noted that the units provided video evidence/confirmation of each defeat.
SPAAAMMMMMM!
Sleestacks! They concerned me as a kid.
>>>>The âBaba Yagaâ drone exemplifies the innovative drive that the Ukrainian military boasts.<<<<
I recall seeing the name Baba quite frequently here on FR. In case you’ve conveniently forgotten him, he’s your zeeper buddy who left America to live in Ukraine so he could diddle underage girls and not be thrown in the slammer. He would post updates to you about how great it was to live there.
Baba was zotted into outer space earlier this year for being a pedophile. Remember mommy?...The sexual predator you covered for?
Was this drone named after him, mommy?
Here’s a little reminder...
To: UMCRevMom@aol.com; Worldtraveler once upon a time; ransomnote; Allegra; bimboeruption; cabojoe; ...
Again, you’re trying to defend a sexual predator!
You said, “-THE AGES YOU SENT WERE ASSUMPTIONS. THIS DISSEMBLING MESSAGE YOU SENT ME ONLY STATED HE HAD MET HIS FIANCE WHEN HE FIRST CAME TO UKRAINE. BTW, WHEN DID HE FIRST COME TO UKRAINE WHICH INDICATES HIS FIANCE AGE:”
Here is exactly what he said in a missive dated 12/30/2023, a copy of which I sent you: He makes clear that the girl he is with now is 18 and she was 14 when he first met her. That simple math means he met her ~4 years ago, not 40, not 400, but when he was ~70 and she was 14. “I am way over 65, but I have to lie about my real age to keep the envy down. . . my love is 18. I met her when she was 14, and she was the very first person i met when i came to ukraine.
Stop lying! There is no “dissembling” there. You’re the one trying to “dissemble” the truth and that is just vile. I sent you a screenshot of Baba’s email and you acknowledged it.
Why are you still trying to defend a sexual predator? Would you be defending him if you found out he, a ~70 year old perve, was chasing your 14 year old daughter if you had one? That abused girl is someone’s daughter. . .
Nice that either you or one of your flying monkeys had my last comment yanked. I made that comment because you lied through your teeth by saying you received an unsolicited email revealing the truth about Baba when it was YOU who set off the exchange by directly contacting me in defense of him. No matter. The truth, and your clumsy lies and obfuscations, are here for all to see.
82 posted on 3/26/2024, 11:10:18 AM by Rocco DiPippo (Either the Deep State destroys America or we destroy the Deep State. -Donald Trump)
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Zeepers love Sleestaks. :)
I like your word "fisking" -- it's new to me and I had to look it up.
Turns out, apparently, "fisking" is what I've been doing here all these years.
Who knew?
So, in that spirit, I'll go to work on Red6's latest stinking pile of horse manure.
Red6: "1) Every nation has a âsphere of influence,â may that be military, economic, and/or political.
We (the US) see the entire Pacific Rim, all of Latin and South America, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria (a formal Russian/Soviet ally we decided to invade and occupy), the NATO world, parts of North Africa as 'our sphere of influence.' "
How can I express this scientifically?
That is a huge stinking pile of horse manure, it's a brain-dead rotting corps of an idea which was loathsome when it was alive and is now dead & beyond putrid.
Today's facts are so vastly different, and so many tens of millions died in a century of warfare since 1914 -- died to make the facts different -- that's its beyond despicable to see you attempting to resurrect this zombie-corpse of justifications first killed & buried in "In Flanders Fields" -- 1915 Second Battle of Ypres.
Where do we even begin with such nonsense?
How about here:
That's a simple fact that somehow the Russian leadership has utterly lost sight of in Ukraine, and elsewhere as well.
Everyone and every nation on earth has a right to legal "spheres of influence" among others with common interests, shared values and voluntarily consenting relationships.
Noone and no nation on earth as a right to illegally impose its "sphere of influence" on those who reject it, period, end of discussion.
Red6: "This is best explained with an analogy.
When you climb over someones fence and they watch from their house window crap in their backyard, they get pissed."
Maybe, except that Russia's "backyard" does not lawfully include any country beyond Russia's borders, and what other countries do legally, in their own backyards, is of no business of Russia's, period, end of discussion.
Red6: "This war is because Russia is conventionally weak, not because they are strong."
Seriously??
Do you have any grasp at all on reality?
Do you not comprehend that there was no war, there could be no war until, or unless, Russia invaded its neighbor?
How does that fundamental fact get lost inside your brain?
Russia did not invade Ukraine while Russia was weak during the 1990s.
Russia did not invade Ukraine even while Russia grew stronger in the early 2000s.
Russia did not invade Ukraine while The West was led by relatively strong US presidents, such as Bush and Trump.
Russia did invade Ukraine when Russia grew stronger and saw relative weakness in Western leaders like US Presidents Obama and O'biden.
So it absolutely was not about "Russian weakness".
Red6: "We treat Russia entirely different than the PRC and that is not because the PRC is so much more moral, a better democracy, respecting of human rights and other nations sovereignty.
The PRC is worse in every respect and they too have their âsphere of influence.â
But, we respect theirs, including Taiwan."
What??
Are you delusional?
Do you know nothing about US history and security promises to Taiwan, going all the way back to circa 1950?
The only reason the CCP China did not invade Taiwan decades ago was for fear of devastating defeat by US naval and air forces.
Today the CCPs Xi-snake watches and waits in his lair, calculating the day and time when his military forces are safely stronger enough than ours to reasonably guarantee CCP victory -- then he will strike.
Just as Vlad the Invader struck Ukraine at a moment of perceived Western weakness.
Red6: "The logic: After arming and training Ukraine for 7 years, the cost will be too high for Russia and they will acquiesce.
That was the gamble.
We were wrong."
But that's not "logic", it's just pure unadulterated Russian insane propaganda.
It can't be "logical" because it's not even a little factual, it's just Russian paranoid fantasy.
The truth is that after Russia's 2014 invasion, Ukrainian public opinion shifted from around 80% opposed to NATO membership to nearly 80% supporting NATO membership.
Vlad the Invader did that, not NATO!!
Red6: "I wonât go into your moralistic babble, itâs all junk.
Both sides are equally bad.
The Ukraine was neither holy before the war nor during it."
All you're doing here is making the rapist's argument -- "oh, she was asking for it, she wanted it because she dressed provocatively...", etc.
It doesn't matter, it's irrelevant, it's no defense.
Of course, if you wished to make the murderer's argument of "self defense", that's a different matter, but it would require at least two claims that are laughably false -- 1) a credible threat from Ukraine and 2) imminent danger to Russia.
Red6: "You simply cherry pick a few things and then want to wrap yourself in these BS concepts of democracy, sovereignty and human rights to pretend like we have some high ground here.
We donât and Ukraine doesnât either."
Seriously? What's wrong with you?
How conceivably do you not know that victims of murder or rape don't need "moral high ground", they only need to be certifiably victims.
All your nonsense talk about a loss of "moral high ground" is irrelevant legally.
Red6: "In fact, if I were you, I would avoid using these concepts since we have over thrown true democracyâs when they interfere with our interests all while we have helped install or secure despots like in Saudi Arabia, Jordan... "
Well... so first of all, Saudi Arabia and Jordan were never in all of history a "true democracy", nor did Americans have anything whatever to do with installing either ruling house, and that's something you should know.
Obviously, we've supported them as stabilizing influences in a very chaotic and violent region in which (outside Israel) "true democracy" is never a viable alternative.
Second, if you wish to claim that "Americans" somehow "overthrew" a "true democracy" then provide some examples so we can discuss how much of that is true fact and how much is just more Russian propaganda nonsense.
Red6: "Even Ukraine is led by a dictator today.
As of 20 May, he is no longer a democratically elected President, and there is a reason why we are OK with that, because contrary to popular belief and even though Times âperson of the yearâ in the West, heâd lose an election in Ukraine."
This is just one more way we know that your brain has been fried and rotted by Russian propaganda lies, beginning with this fact -- long before May 20, our Russian repeaters and propagandists here were already claiming Ukraine's constitutionally elected president is a "dictator".
You guys didn't wait until May 20 to make that accusation, you were making it years ago.
In this you sound like our Democrats who already claim Donald Trump is a "fascist dictator", even though he hasn't even been elected yet, much less broken any laws.
Second, there is the "small matter" of Ukraine's Constitution, which prohibits holding national elections during periods of Martial Law, such as while fighting existential war against overwhelming invading forces.
Red6: "Hint: Mr. Z rode to power on a platform of peace with Russia, his mobilization plans, the economy... highly unpopular.
But, heâs our boy and does what we say, so he stays in power at least until next year.
If we are calling all the shots in Ukraine, how sovereign are they?"
As best I can tell, beyond naturally seeking peace, all of that is 100% fact-free nonsense.
As for Zelenskyy's current popularity, it's almost irrelevant, since in times of war, every leader's popularity will rise and fall with the ups and downs of the war itself.
What's 100% certain is that Zelenskyy has been highly effective in enlisting the international support which has covered at least 2/3 of the material and financial costs of Ukraine's war efforts.
So, while Zelenskyy might well lose the next election, no Ukrainian will want to replace him unconstitutionally.
Red6: "Despite Russia being far weaker than in the time of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact, despite being #5 in manpower on the worlds stage in terms of conventional forces (pre-2021), Russia still has the (((military ability and political will))) to defend their interests by force if need be.
We cannot just plow over them and do whatever we want - Respect."
And still... yet more anti-historical babbling nonsense.
The undeniable truth is that in 2021 Russia was considered the Second-Best Military in the World.
Every Western expert believed Russia would overrun Ukraine in a matter of weeks, if not just days.
Today, Russia is absolutely known for certain to be still the Second-Best Military, in Ukraine.
We didn't do that, Russians did that to themselves, by insanely invading a country they had no legitimate business to even threaten, much less wage war against.
Red6: "Tens of thousands of lives had to die, more be crippled, millions turned into refugees, an economy destroyed, so that some kid in Washington (example, a Jake Sullivan), can learn a basic lesson in life.
No matter what you think, I can assure you, we have learned our lesson at this point and will be more reserved with NATO East expansion in the future."
Oh, my goodness -- and still the endless babbling nonsense never stops with you, does it.
Two countries which had declared their neutrality for generations suddenly joined NATO after Vlad the Invader's war on Ukraine -- Finland and Sweden.
What lessons did you learn from that, Russkiy Mir?
Two other countries -- Ukraine and Georgia -- which have sought NATO membership for decades have been granted special partnership status and support in everything short of membership.
In due time -- possibly in generations, like Finland and Sweden -- Ukraine and Georgia will become full members, but in the meantime, NATO does what it can to help them.
THERE ARE NO OTHERS!
Moldova, like Austria and Switzerland, is constitutionally neutral.
Belarus is already effectively annexed by Vlad the Invader, thanks to Belarus dictator Annexed Lukashenko.
That's it! Seeking to expand Russia's "sphere of influence" Vlad the Invader has now surrounded Russia with an alliance overwhelmingly prepared to defend itself against Russian aggression.
Red6: "Even if a few block heads donât get it, they will be constrained by our allies and popular opinion which will NOT go along with this in the future, and at this point many seriously regret they did: Germany, Italy..."
1781 Battle of the Chesapeake,
French navy victory was key to US victory at Yorktown:
Naw... I don't think any country seriously regrets helping Ukraine defend itself against Vlad's invasions, I think they are all proud of what they've done, but many are now discouraged and defeatist, largely an effect of the Russian propaganda Kool-Aid that you've been guzzling by the gallon.
They'd hoped peace would be easier and now fear Russian escalation.
So, these are hard times -- similar to those when Thomas Paine famously wrote in 1776:
"These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."It's well worth remembering that US victory at Yorktown in 1781 took another five long bloody years, was only even possible thanks to massive aid from the French, Spanish, Dutch and others, which eventually exhausted Britain's resources and forced them to call a halt, and was ultimately a very close call.
"Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph."
Victory at Yorktown, 1781,
a multinational, combined arms operation
Red6: "In Europe not only is public opinion anti-war at this point, as it is in the US (thatâs why our MSM stopped polling and reporting on it, they are no longer favorable for a cause the MSM supports), but there are political changes happening in Europe in part because of this war.
Even in the most staunch NATO allies and vehement anti-Russian places like Poland, you see this trend."
There's no doubt that some Europeans and Americans have been drinking the Russian propaganda Kool-Aid and it has rendered them weaker and fearful.
And in the US we have the matter of domestic politics which makes some Republicans feel forced to take opposition to our corrupt Democrat leadership's support for Ukraine, regardless of how worthy Ukraine may be.
As in the America's War of Independence, the issue was in doubt until the very end, and could well have gone the other way.
Red6: "Get this into you head, Ukraine will not be in NATO for the foreseeable future:"
Really? How about: get this into your head -- Ukraine joined NATO's Partnership for Peace in 1994, and was invited to join in 2008, but no date was ever set, nor is one set today.
But, in due time, under circumstance we cannot predict today, and just as with Finland and Sweden, Ukraine will be welcomed into NATO as a specially honored member.
Count on it.
Red6: "In fact, when this war ends, I would not doubt that there will be a backlash for NATO and the US.
Today, issues like Ukraine supersede inside squabbling, but long term, nations like Germany realize that we are using NATO to serve our own best interests and not those of our allies.
Blowing up a pipeline the Germans depend on economically did not serve Germanyâs best interests.
In Europe, the idea that they have been played and that this war in Ukraine is all about weakening Russiaâs position on the world stage has not gone unnoticed (the evil option).
Basically, they (Europe) pay 1/2 for this war and deal with the majority of refugees.
The Ukraine does all the bleeding.
But the US gets to deal with a weakened Russia on the world stage as we pursue them in places like Venezuela, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Niger and we get the majority of defense contracts along the way (we are the worlds biggest arms exporter)."
That is a truly amazing pile of stinking nonsense, and whoever wrote it for you can be justly proud of their skills as a pro-Russian propagandist.
Sure, "win" and "lose" by your definition today, but very few outside Russia itself see it that way.
For the past year, Ukraine's strategy has been to trade small amounts of territory -- a few square miles at a time -- in exchange for inflicting thousands of Russian casualties and hundreds of Russian war-machines per square mile.
So, in 2023, Russians conquered around 200 square miles of Ukraine territory and so far in 2024, possibly another 100 square miles, at a cost to Russia estimated over 250,000 casualties and 35,000 military vehicles, not counting ammunition, missiles or drones.
At that rate, it will take Russia about 1,000 years to conquer all of Ukraine, which would consume all 140 million of today's Russian population -- one with among the world's lowest birthrates.
Red6: "This pressure prevents a build up of forces for a counter offensive as in 2023, but also puts Ukraine and the West at a disadvantage when the peace talks begin in earnest.
At that point, Ukraine will agree to be neutral.
Would it not have been better had we skipped the death and destruction part, and just skipped to the part where Ukraine is neutral?
The counter offensive of 2023 was the last chance for Ukraine to prevent Russia from achieving their military objectives, and this effort failed."
I'd call that Russian wishful thinking and whistling past their own graveyard.
I think Russia's losses continue to grow, while its replacements in both men and equipment are ever poorer facsimiles of the force Vlad launched into Ukraine in February 2022.
In the meantime, Ukraine's strengths continue to increase in size, equipment and sophisticated training.
Red6: "As the war goes on, Ukraine loses a small village and a few square miles of territory every few days with eventually Kharkiv falling late this year, and Odessa falling next year."
How's that plan working out for you, so far, Mr. Russkiy Mir?
Have you looked at a war-map recently?
Red6: "At this point, we have Ukraine and the West growing more desperate, not Russia, us.
That is why we close our eyes regarding growing terrorist attacks sponsored by Ukraine in Russia (against outright civilian targets: Crocus City hall, St. Petersberg, Darya Dugina)"
My goodness! You really are guzzling down the Russian propaganda Kool-Aid, aren't you?
And yet, somehow you pretend to be American?
How does that even work?
Red6: "Just yesterday: Biden administration moves toward allowing American military contractors to deploy to Ukraine
I see no reason why American citizens should have ever been prevented from serving in Ukraine however they best could.
(we are desperate and weâre the ones escalating in an attempt to turn things around or at least hold on)"
Red6: "We still try in part to spin this as a victory in our media, However:
If you think weâre not sweating at this point..."
To repeat -- obviously these are tough times for good people, and the outcome, regardless of Russian propaganda, is not predetermined.
And "win" and "lose" are matters of definitions so we can absolutely expect that pro-Russian propaganda will always "define" Russia as the winner and NATO the loser regardless of the actual events.
In that, Russian propaganda is quite similar to our own Democrats who, we can be certain, will define Biden as the "winner" of tonight's debate, unless the word comes down from On High (Obama, Clinton, et al) that Biden must go.
Then it won't really matter how well he did in fact, Biden will be declared the "loser" and the nomination will be taken away, if not actual 25th Amendment imposed on him.
These are interesting times, of the type meant in the (alleged) ancient Chinese curse...
>>>>I am just a sinner telling others where to find bread.<<<<
You’re a laugh a minute...so transparent and predictable.
Look in the mirror, mommy. Do you see what we see? A hypocrite, a Pharisee, a white washed sepulcher?
That’s you!
The only thing False is your Ukie Propaganda.
Bla bla bla.
“The âBaba Yagaâ drone exemplifies the innovative drive that the Ukrainian military boasts.”
Agree, your comment is quite dissembling. This drone was not named after an ex-Freeper Baba OâReally! LOL
BABA YAGA is known in Russian folklore as the ancient goddess of death.
Try to use reason to seek truth:
âThose who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves.â
â George Gordon Byron (Lord Byron)
I confirm this to be true and quoted exactly as I wrote it.
“Look in the mirror, mommy. Do you see what we see? A hypocrite, a Pharisee, a white washed sepulcher?
Thatâs you!”
You offer exceptional advice for all: Matthew 7:5,
âYou hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brotherâs eye.â
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4245639/posts?page=214#214
Perhaps Comment #183 will help you refocus:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4245639/posts?page=183#183
EXCELLENT:
“To repeat — obviously these are tough times for good people, and the outcome, regardless of Russian propaganda, is not predetermined.
And “win” and “lose” are matters of definitions so we can absolutely expect that pro-Russian propaganda will always “define” Russia as the winner and NATO the loser regardless of the actual events.
In that, Russian propaganda is quite similar to our own Democrats who, we can be certain, will define Biden as the “winner” of tonight’s debate, unless the word comes down from On High (Obama, Clinton, et al) that Biden must go.
Then it won’t really matter how well he did in fact, Biden will be declared the “loser” and the nomination will be taken away, if not actual 25th Amendment imposed on him.”
“Truth and reason are like kryptonite to losers and fabulists”
Well said.
ARTICLE
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4744993-donald-trump-joe-biden-foreign-policy/ (Excerpt)
“Former President Trump hit President Biden on foreign policy, pointing to Russiaâs war in Ukraine and Israelâs war against Hamas as the whole world âblowing up under him.â
Trump briefly addressed policy questions, saying Russian President Vladimir Putinâs terms to end the war are âunacceptableâ and encouraging Israel to âfinish the jobâ against Hamas, but he largely avoided explaining how he would handle the major wars if he were elected in November.
Instead, Trump pointed to Iranâs funding of terrorism and Biden overseeing a chaotic and deadly pullout of Afghanistan as encouraging global conflict.”
Gee, the Russians hosted Hamas yet again. Russian state media always praises Hamas and trashes Israel. So FRâs resident Neo-Stalinists are anti-Israel too.
The Putinistas so often praised Russiaâs âflat taxâ but that is out-the-window too as Putin has made it more progressive and in his words, âmore fairâ. They are back to nationalizing businesses too while most defense industries are state-owned corporations.
How many new Stalin monuments will have to be built before we stop hearing that Russia is not the Soviet Union? Solzhenitsyn received an eight-year sentence under Stalin while under Putin longer prison terms are being handed out for questioning the Ukraine invasion. The gulag camps are back.
Well, for sure, I feel the same way about your posts, but since I'm very interested in this subject, I don't mind explaining in detail exactly why.
Of course, nobody likes being told they're wrong, everyone understands that.
But I doubt if you actually wrote most of what you posted, I suspect you just copied and pasted somebody else's ideas.
So you don't have to take my criticisms personally.
If that's any consolation... đ
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