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Ukraine DESTROYS 3 Major Russian Oil Facilities; Putin LASHES Out | Breaking News With The Enforcer The Enforcer Jun 20, 2024 4:00 p.m. EDT 11:21 Minutes
Today, we learn that Ukraine hit three oil depot/refineries in Russia overnight. Ukrainian attack drones successfully struck a Russian Lukoil oil depot in Krasnodar Krai this morning, setting the facility ablaze.
We also learn that South Korea has begun considering sending arms and military aid to Ukraine in an unprecedented move. As a result of North Korea's new defensive pact, the South Koreans are becoming concerned of the possibility of war breaking out on the Korean Peninsula.
We have also heard that Russia is considering changing its nuclear doctrine from defensive to a "first-strike" doctrine. Putin continues to escalate the war in Ukraine as tensions continue to rise around the world.
ARTICLE
4173 images of Russian objects were taken: DIU on results of using the “people’s satellite” ICEYE, purchased by Prytula’s Foundation SATELLITE PHOTOS
26.06.24 11:13
censor.net
https://censor.net/en/n3496674
EXCERPT:
“For almost two years of using the “people’s satellite “ ICEYE, which was funded by Serhiy Prytula’s charity foundation, specialists from the Defence Intelligence of Ukraine have taken 4173 images of Russian Federation facilities.
This was reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press service of the DIU.
How many hostile objects did the ICEYE satellite detect?
Among the satellite images taken:
370 - airfields;
238 - air defence and radio reconnaissance positions;
153 - oil depots and fuel warehouses;
147 - missile, aviation weapons and ammunition depots;
17 - naval bases.
In addition, ICEYE’s lens includes permanent deployment points for Russian forces, training grounds, military camps, and mobilisation centres.
** Specialists gur mo of Ukraine use space apparatus ICEYE to detect enemy targets and protect the state for almost two years.
A new level of quality and efficiency of obtaining intelligence data was made possible thanks to the initiative of Ігор Лаченков and the blogger Благодійний Фонд Сергія Притули / Serhiy Prytula Charity Foundation and the DONATIONS OF UKRAINIANS to the “narodnij bayraktar”, the funds from which were directed towards the purchase of the satellite at the request of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
Also, https://www.facebook.com/DefenceIntelligenceofUkraine
NEWS ARTICLE
Russians destroy ancient Chersonese and erect new building in its place – photos at LINK
Ukrainska Pravda
Wednesday, 26 June 2024, 13:03
Russians have built a new archaeological park on the territory of the ancient settlement of Tauric Chersonese.
Russian archaeologists and developers have completely destroyed an authentic monument of world significance in Crimea, Tauric Chersonese. A new open-air theatre was built on the site of the excavations. Some archaeological finds were taken to Russian museums.
SOURCE:
Evelina Kravchenko, a senior researcher at the Institute of Archeology of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, told this to the press at the III International Forum of the Crimean Platform Expert Network.
DETAILS:
The researcher said that Russians are replacing original monuments with new buildings, destroying their authenticity:
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“Negative processes are now taking place with the only monument of world significance that we managed to nominate and include in the list of monuments in Crimea, Tauric Chersonese.”
In 2015-2016, the developers fenced off the archaeological remains that were on the surface, such as towers, walls and pillars, with viewing platforms. Later, an open-air theater was erected on the site of the ancient citadel, which puts a load of about a tonne on the original structure.
The amphitheater was built on the site of an ancient citadel
photo released by Evelina Kravchenko on facebook
Most of the artifacts found were taken to museums in Russia. Among them are frescoes, dishes, household items, and icons. Subsequently, the construction of the New Chersonese Archaeological Park began on the site of the necropolis.
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“The Russians did not know anything about the geological situation at this site, so they began to remove the soil on the territory with ordinary excavators. Somehow, they unearthed an ancient spring there, so everything was flooded,” said Evelina Kravchenko.
Today, a new city has been built on the site of the archaeological remains. An archaeological park covers the old finds, and several excavated sites have been gradually moved and rebuilt elsewhere. On the site of the settlement, the Russians erected St Vladimir’s Cathedral, which is subordinate to and consecrated by the Moscow Patriarchate.
FOR REFERENCE:
Tauric Chersonese is a unique historical monument of the ancient era. The research of this building revealed the system of organization and planning of that time. It is the only monument in Crimea that is of global importance.
Since the early 2000s and before the occupation of the Crimean peninsula, Ukrainian researchers have proposed creating an archaeological park to preserve not only individual sections of Chersonesus but the entire area.
And that's why Russian forces have made such rapid progress invading from the north towards Kharkiv, gobbling up miles per day of Ukrainian sovereign territory, killing Ukrainian military in their thousands since, when was that, May 10, 2024?
So, how much new Ukrainian territory did Russians just take?
Was it 90 square miles from a country the size of Texas (233,000 square miles total)?
And how much of that was taken since around May 26?
Was it one or two more square miles, in total?
And how much did Russian casualties increase?
Was it around 1/3 from roughly 900 per day to 1,200 per day?
And what do you think is the average IQ of Russia's top strategic military planners?
Yeah, I don't I don't think it's even half that.
Of course, that's just imho yrmv.
How much is the New World Order paying you to spout their propaganda?
Ruzzian Fab-3000s bombs have become much more accurate.
That’s bad news for Ukies.
There are three bigger ideas that are essentially made in these posts: (1) The idea if Russia has a right to a sphere of influence, (2) what caused this war and if we got the message, (3) and who is winning.
1) Every nation has a “sphere of influence,” may that be military, economic, and/or political. We (the US) see the entire Pacific Rim, all of Latin and South America, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria (a formal Russian/Soviet ally we decided to invade and occupy), the NATO world, parts of North Africa as “our sphere of influence.”
The Germans have their sphere of influence within Europe. The French have their sphere of influence in Europe and Africa. The UK has their sphere of influence in Europe, Asia, Africa... Within the EU, the Germans and French call the shots, and nations like Greece, even Poland walk to the tune of the Germans and French.
Claiming Russia has no right to a “sphere of influence” all while we are expanding our influence into Ukraine, is insincere and ironic to say the least.
https://www.axios.com/2021/12/01/nato-russia-ukraine-invasion
https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/nato-chief-great-powers-have-no-right-spheres-influence-against-small-neighboring-countries
This is best explained with an analogy. When you climb over someones fence and they watch from their house window crap in their backyard, they get pissed. When they warn you not to do this again, you probably should respect that. But if you keep doing it again and again (Republic of Georgia 2008, Ukraine 2014, 2021...), and just blow them off, and then you say in their face that they have no right to their own backyard (even though you have one too - in fact yours, the US, is the biggest in the world), they might come out of that house and resort to physical violence to get their point across. Stop $hitting in the Russians backyard and pretending like we’re the victim or good guy!
This war is because Russia is conventionally weak, not because they are strong.
We treat Russia entirely different than the PRC and that is not because the PRC is so much more moral, a better democracy, respecting of human rights and other nations sovereignty. The PRC is worse in every respect and they too have their “sphere of influence.” But, we respect theirs, including Taiwan.
It is because we thought we can do whatever we want, as we do in most the world, and the Russians must accept this, that this war happened.
The logic: After arming and training Ukraine for 7 years, the cost will be too high for Russia and they will acquiesce. That was the gamble. We were wrong.
I won’t go into your moralistic babble, it’s all junk. Both sides are equally bad. The Ukraine was neither holy before the war nor during it. You simply cherry pick a few things and then want to wrap yourself in these BS concepts of democracy, sovereignty and human rights to pretend like we have some high ground here. We don’t and Ukraine doesn’t either. In fact, if I were you, I would avoid using these concepts since we have over thrown true democracy’s when they interfere with our interests all while we have helped install or secure despots like in Saudi Arabia, Jordan... Even Ukraine is led by a dictator today. As of 20 May, he is no longer a democratically elected President, and there is a reason why we are OK with that, because contrary to popular belief and even though Times “person of the year” in the West, he’d lose an election in Ukraine. Hint: Mr. Z rode to power on a platform of peace with Russia, his mobilization plans, the economy... highly unpopular. But, he’s our boy and does what we say, so he stays in power at least until next year. If we are calling all the shots in Ukraine, how sovereign are they?
2) There is a lesson which has already been learned. Assuming this was a policy failure where risk and ROI wasn’t calculated right and we didn’t do this intentionally (a situation I do not even want to entertain as this would make us outright evil, albeit there is some evidence to suggest that this is the case).
Despite Russia being far weaker than in the time of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact, despite being #5 in manpower on the worlds stage in terms of conventional forces (pre-2021), Russia still has the (((military ability and political will))) to defend their interests by force if need be. We cannot just plow over them and do whatever we want - Respect.
Tens of thousands of lives had to die, more be crippled, millions turned into refugees, an economy destroyed, so that some kid in Washington (example, a Jake Sullivan), can learn a basic lesson in life.
No matter what you think, I can assure you, we have learned our lesson at this point and will be more reserved with NATO East expansion in the future.
Even if a few block heads don’t get it, they will be constrained by our allies and popular opinion which will NOT go along with this in the future, and at this point many seriously regret they did: Germany, Italy...
In Europe not only is public opinion anti-war at this point, as it is in the US (that’s why our MSM stopped polling and reporting on it, they are no longer favorable for a cause the MSM supports), but there are political changes happening in Europe in part because of this war. Even in the most staunch NATO allies and vehement anti-Russian places like Poland, you see this trend.
Get this into you head, Ukraine will not be in NATO for the foreseeable future: https://news.yahoo.com/news/biden-opposes-ukraine-nato-membership-151512895.html
In fact, when this war ends, I would not doubt that there will be a backlash for NATO and the US. Today, issues like Ukraine supersede inside squabbling, but long term, nations like Germany realize that we are using NATO to serve our own best interests and not those of our allies. Blowing up a pipeline the Germans depend on economically did not serve Germany’s best interests. In Europe, the idea that they have been played and that this war in Ukraine is all about weakening Russia’s position on the world stage has not gone unnoticed (the evil option). Basically, they (Europe) pay 1/2 for this war and deal with the majority of refugees. The Ukraine does all the bleeding. But the US gets to deal with a weakened Russia on the world stage as we pursue them in places like Venezuela, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Niger and we get the majority of defense contracts along the way (we are the worlds biggest arms exporter).
3) By definition, we have already lost, excluding the evil option where the argument can be made that long term we will win.
—The political agenda and cause of this war was to get Ukraine into NATO, and that has failed.
—The military objective was to prevent Russia from taking the Eastern and ethnic Russian parts of Ukraine, that has failed.
Russia will now continue to apply pressure, which means we must hemorrhage money as well, and Ukraine will only lose more ground and people, with zero prospect of turning things around.
This pressure prevents a build up of forces for a counter offensive as in 2023, but also puts Ukraine and the West at a disadvantage when the peace talks begin in earnest. At that point, Ukraine will agree to be neutral. Would it not have been better had we skipped the death and destruction part, and just skipped to the part where Ukraine is neutral?
The counter offensive of 2023 was the last chance for Ukraine to prevent Russia from achieving their military objectives, and this effort failed.
There will be no large scale future counter offensive (not like 2023) where Ukraine takes back the lost territory since Russia will both prevent the amassing of troops and concentration along the front, but also prevent a general build up of forces able to launch a larger counter offensive by applying constant pressure which the Ukrainians have to react to. If Ukraine attempts to build up a force for a counter-offensive, that means Russia will increase the pressure, requiring Ukraine to dedicate those force to the front. As the war goes on, Ukraine loses a small village and a few square miles of territory every few days with eventually Kharkiv falling late this year, and Odessa falling next year.
At this point, we have Ukraine and the West growing more desperate, not Russia, us. That is why we close our eyes regarding growing terrorist attacks sponsored by Ukraine in Russia (against outright civilian targets: Crocus City hall, St. Petersberg, Darya Dugina), why we provide Ukraine weapons that allow deep strikes into Russian territory which technically allows Russia to strike deep into Europe: ATACMS... You see this with the use of military NATO personnel (open secret) in Ukraine (Poland and France) and elsewhere.
Just yesterday: https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/biden-administration-american-military-contractors-ukraine/index.html (we are desperate and we’re the ones escalating in an attempt to turn things around or at least hold on)
We still try in part to spin this as a victory in our media, However: (1) We are past the Decision Point DP (counter offensive 2023), (2) we lost by all accounts , political and military objectives, (3) we are supporting a war that is mostly unpopular, (4) the political climate is changing in Europe, there is a chance that a new President in the US will end this conflict rapidly. (5) As the political climate changes, Europe and in the US, the monetary and logistical support for this war will become less. If you think we’re not sweating at this point...
What you are left with is changing the goal post, i.e. making up new definitions of what success and failure are.
In the case of Ukraine, Russia had influence, as when their lackey Yanukovich got the Rada to approve a lease for a naval base in Crimea in 2010. But that wasn't enough for Putin. He had to demand "control" when an independent Ukraine expressed perfectly reasonable desire to move toward the economic benefits of joining the EU. And now it's "annex" since Ukraine's people recognized and refused Yanukovich's treasonous move offering Putin "control".
BTW that naval lease precluded any accession to NATO, which never gets mentioned.
The rest is just hogwash, not worth fisking.
1) Back a Democrat President.
2) Regurgitate what they head in a liberal MSM: CNN, MSNBC, CBS...
3) Back interventionist, expansionist, expeditionary military campaigns where you cannot articulate a viable national security argument for us.
This runs ENTIRELY against conservative ideas.
Mr. Z was not democratically elected, we installed him (our big tech, our media, our money, our intel). He is today a dictator, and we make sure he stays there, safe and secure. Not sure where that is in step with these ideas of “democracy and sovereignty” you like to use as some moral cause, or how that is in line with our founding principals.
Even Jefferson was brought into conflict but you can make a national security argument, the Barbary Pirates were hijacking our ships, taking people prisoner and actually enslaving them... Something had to be done. That is NOT the case today with Ukraine.
There was (((NO))) eminent national security argument to be made for this: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/
YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN RATIONALLY AND TRUTHFULLY, how this was needed for our national security right there and then. YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW THIS WAR, is making us as average Americans any wealthier, safer, or more free. In fact, this war is squandering our wealth and brings our people and military into the cross-hairs of others. YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN how this war has benefited Ukraine which is worse off today and none of this had to be.
Though I do not always agree with Rand or Ron Paul (although I have learned to respect them), they are not from my state, they more or less have consistently held a classical view in step with the values of the US Constitution and our Founding Fathers. May it be Covid, Ukraine, FISA... they are pretty consistent, and quite frankly, hats off to them: https://www.paul.senate.gov/op_eds/courier-journal-op-ed-dr-rand-paul-heres-how-we-prevent-war-ukraine/ (that was 1 month before the war began)
This entire war could have been prevented, and when it does end, we will be at exactly the same spot we were before the war: Ukraine is not in NATO and stays neutral.
There you go,
Latch onto a word because it sounds good to you.
On the topic of controlling folks whether they like it or not, will we leave Iraq soon? They recently asked us to leave again, that would be the 20th official request (no kidding) over the last 21 years we have been occupying them after we invaded under false pretenses.
What about Syria? Or do you think the people want us there? Hahaha
You always are great at making the FR a bit entertaining / humorous.
Have we ever claimed a right to annex Iraqi territory? Syrian? We are in those places because terrorists use their territory to attack us and our allies, (i.e. Israel). Ukraine never attacked Russia. Far from it. But Putin twists history into a pretzel to justify annexation of Ukraine.
Really? Just what color IS the sky in your world?
Words have whatever meaning we give them.
We don’t need to annex someone to pump the oil out of their ground under our terms and conditions as in Libya, Syria, Iraq.
No one believes in your Disney fairy-tale:
https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa
I think I provided you this link before. It’s a good “comprehensive” view that backs it all up: https://qr.ae/ps3bYZ
But you don’t need to read. Just waive your flags and say things like “democracy, sovereignty, human rights.”
Idiocracy has become a documentary: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
Said the Red Queen.
BroJoeK already shot that Kaylee Smith Quora essay to ribbons, so I didn’t bother.
Jacobin? Really? An extreme leftist weblog?
And a Guardian article from 10 years before the Maidan uprising?
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9476/CBP-9476.pdf
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26248275
https://static.poder360.com.br/2022/02/2014-Coup-1.pdf
YOU try reading something for a change.
BroJoeK doesn't say much besides call people names (Vlad the Invader), use slang, play on cliche (non-applicable Cold War imagery) and use pejoratives (Propaganda).
His posts are vapid.
But, they give me a target against which I can organize my own thoughts.
Actually, this is an extremely well written piece, researched, detailed, and backed with sources: https://qr.ae/ps3bYZ
The old article (pre-Maiden) shows that this has been going on for a long time. I should have spelled that point out for you since all you're looking for is some way to quickly repel any derogatory information for some cause you think you're supposed to be supporting.
—An American puppet regime is still just a puppet, but that's fine by you.
—A Russian puppet is of course bad according to you. Funny thing is, Mr. Y was walking a middle ground and wasn't even really entirely pro-Russian, which one of the articles spells out (why I provided that one) with examples of policies which went against Russian interests.
How about this scenario: The US and Russia both begin to pull their intel and massive influence activities out of Ukraine, and Ukraine actually is a SOVEREIGN state with real elections, where you have actual real candidates to choose from (not folks we prop up and stick before the people).
Guess what that would have been called? Minsk: https://www.unian.info/politics/1043394-minsk-agreement-full-text-in-english.html
Guess who violated the crap out of that agreement and then pridefully proclaimed how we don't give a shit because we didn't sign to it, even though the Germans, Russians, French and Ukraine did?
People like you are easy to understand. We're always right. Anything we do is for the right reason. If others do something horrible, it's bad, but if we the same things, it's all different and somehow OK (our terrorism is good terrorism, our torture is good torture, our kidnappings are good kidnappings, our cluster bombs on civilians are good cluster bombs...). If you disagree you're on the enemy's team. The world according to folks like you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMyJWuvW_9k
Let me ask you this, when will the US leave Iraq? We've been there for 21 years. We invaded them. We used false pretenses for this invasion. We have been asked no less than 20 times to leave, the last time this last January: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iraq-seeks-quick-exit-us-forces-no-deadline-set-pm-says-2024-01-10/ So, what do the words “invader” and “occupier” mean to you?
Ukraine was what I refer to as an intel-war, where you had the US and Russia struggling over control. Russian influence is of course bad, but our manipulating and influence is good.
We won this intel war, that is what Maiden was about. After that we began to purge Ukraine of all Russian influence in government, the media, etc. Russia simply cannot stand up against us in that respect because the US MSM, our social media, Google, State Department (we spent >$5 billion pre-Maiden to influence Ukraine's political landscape), our NGO’s (which many are government funded and some are IC fronts), foreign aid, military assistance, Intel activities by the CIA, NSA, even business investors (the DoD and State Department has a say) which get used in this game as well are an overpowering force. Believe it or not, if Ukraine had been a retarded state where the Internet and use of social media is still not as common our influence would be more limited. But in an advanced society like Ukraine, where everyone has a smartphone and is online, but without any outside shielding against us (the censorship is only aimed at Russia, not us), we just take over.
Here is another stupid part about this war. While we can win the intel war (our IC is 3 times Russian's size in personnel with >8 times the budget: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Intelligence_Community), we hand out more foreign aid than Russia, our State Department is bigger than Russia's, we hand out more military assistance than Russia, our MSM is more influential than Russia's, our big tech is more influential that Russia's, we have more and bigger investors than Russia... It will be Russia that wins in an actual hot (conventional) war like we find ourselves in. Do you get what I'm saying here? We already had won! Ukraine was ours! Now, our trophy is getting smashed up and we will (((LOSE))) in a conventional war where Russia has the advantage. For example, Google commands over 84% of the GLOBAL searches: https://www.impressiondigital.com/blog/bing-differ-google/ and that's ours. In this intel-war we had the advantage and we already de facto took over Ukraine.
There is a reason why 2014 and Maiden is the date where this started: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svy-EBvoJLQ That is when we took over.
What do you think: Mr. Z had support by US social media and Google. US big tech is in bed with the US IC. Heck, some of them are basically IC creations! https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance Mr. Z had support of the US media, was backed by the US State Department as well as US NGO’s. Even much of his money was being funneled through a Ukrainian oligarch sympathetic to the US but came from us. An independent man? Not a puppet? That's how a comedian, not really wealthy (not able to fund national campaigns), a young man with zero political experience and connections, a Jew in a nation with antisemitic undertones, rises to power like he did. But do you think someone like that might be very easy to control?
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-new-president-volodymyr-zelensky-just-won-the-first-ever-successful-virtual-campaign/ He won because of our social media, Google, State Department and MSM. We literally were the bullhorn used to get him heard across the nation. Do you think he could have done that had he not been our boy?
So tell me, what does “democracy” mean to you? When a foreign intel service influences elections? What does “sovereignty” mean to you? When a foreign government takes over your country?
Is this “sovereignty?” https://oversight.house.gov/timeline/ukraine-11/biden-firing-ukraine-prosecutor-clip/ This was after we had already taken over.
Did you ride in on an “ass?”
How “retarded” can you be?
Or, are you a poor inner city “colored person,” a “negro” with a poor public education which thinks words and their meanings or even associated feelings do not change?
What about the word “homosexual?” Same meaning and use like 50 years ago?
Can you say “deaf and dumb” today?
How about “hussy, bitch, dork...”
Does your family have a “gay Christmas?”
And that’s staying within English. If you use the same sounding words but cross the language barrier things get really funny, but I don’t have the time for that right here and now.
I chalk you post up to more willful ignorance. There is a lot of that today.
Well, I was born, and have lived in NY State for going on 77 years. I've been on FR going on 27 years. I've been here consistently with the same screen name all those years, with no warnings, no self-inflicted break, no suspensions, no lock-outs.
Instead of calling us anti-ukers, how about calling us pro-Americans, who are for America-First, not some spit of land the size of Texas, 5,000 miles away that this country has no national security interest in. Your first priority is apparently Ukraine, and not protecting America from the scum destroying it from within, and allowing it to be continuously invaded across our borders by God knows who. While we were fighting the commies overseas, we took our eye off the ball at home, and domestic communism reared its ugly head, and has flourished in America ever since, and it will completely destroy this country if we let it. I'm not willing to let it, and I'm not willing to let the Neo-cons continually divert our attention once again from this country's well-being, by engaging in another endless proxy war with Russia in Ukraine. We fought a proxy war with Russia in the Korean War, in Vietnam, in Afghanistan when Russia invaded that county. Who saw clear victory in those wars? Only the individuals who had investments in the military industrial complex. They were the clear winners, not the people who actually fought in those wars.
Don't you care about the billions of unaccounted-for tax payer dollars being shipped overseas? There has been no mandatory accounting for where any of it has gone. Yet Biden and Congress keep sending more without knowing where it's going, or what it's being used for. And for that you call us anti-Ukers, and you do it because you like labeling people without any justification for that labeling. The only justification is the one you make up, and throw out there, hoping it will stick. Talk about liberal tactics.
If somebody came to you, and asked you to help them financially, and you helped them the first time, then they kept coming back again, and again asking for more money, but were never willing to explain where all the previous money you gave them had gone, wouldn't you eventually want an accounting for that money you had shelled out to them? If you didn't, then you are an easy target, and a fool.
I don’t know the best way to describe this concept.
Sometimes, you’re in a good position. You’ve done well and things are going your way 90+%.
If you continue to push things even further, ask for more, you end up losing.
You actually go backward on the cost-benefit scale, tipping it the other way.
—Ukraine was doing extremely well before the war, economically.
—Ukraine was already ours.
—They had EU membership in reach (that will be delayed by years, if ever).
—They were military strong, i.e. we had been arming, training, and feeding them intel for years.
When you think in terms of feelings and ideologies, when you let yourself be guided by past events that are no longer applicable today, you become divorced from principals like Return On Investment and Risk. Again, not the best example, but someone once said “choose your battles” (Don’t know where that quote came from).
This was stupid: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/
It caused a war.
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