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Handgun Defense Against Bears, Caliber NOT Critical as Thought
AmmoLand ^ | May 1 2024 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 05/06/2024 8:04:47 AM PDT by marktwain

A continual debate in the firearms and hunting community is about caliber wars. 9mm v .45.  What is the minimum caliber for whitetail deer?  What calibers are good for elk? Moose? Grizzly bears?  In the research of handguns fired in defense against bears, a surprising conclusion springs forth: Caliber is not as important as we thought. Having a firearm is more important than caliber.  There are several reasons why this is so.

First, a firearm builds confidence. A person with a firearms has more confidence they can do something instead of nothing. Call it the psychological factor.   A firearm gives a person the confidence to stand their ground. Even bear spray proponent Tom Smith acknowledges the importance of this. From byu.edu/news, 2008:

Smith believes one of the primary reasons bear spray works is that it gives users a reason to stand their ground. Running is the worst response to an aggressive bear, he said, “but it’s hard not to.

Having a firearm gives a psychological lift to a person’s confidence. People who are armed walk differently, stand differently and act differently. The confidence labels them as potentially dangerous. This makes bears and other predators hesitate to attack and assess humans more carefully. Most bears wisely avoid humans. For bears on the edge, this can make a difference.

Second, there is noise. Firearms, even small caliber handguns, are loud, much louder than nearly anything in nature except for a thunderclap. Warning shots work primarily though noise.  Warning shots are seriously underrated because most successful warning shots are not reported. Of the documented incidents where handguns were fired in defense against bears, warning shots worked 21 of  29 times or 69%.  Bears that are indifferent to the presence of a human and to warning shots are very dangerous bears.

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To: marktwain

This has been clear for years. Every time I’ve see a history of encounters, even a 22LR was effective in getting the bear to leave.


41 posted on 05/06/2024 9:02:58 AM PDT by Reno89519 (If Biden is mentally unfit to stand trial, he is mentally unfit to be president. He needs to resign.)
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To: Lurker

Shot placement is key. I have large black bears around my home in the mountains and when I am out I carry a Ruger GP100 .357 magnum or a Virginian Dragoon in .44 magnum both with hunting loads.

The one time I have fired a weapon with a bear involved was a 400 lbs black bear that walked out of the woods into our front yard and our Irish Setter about knocked my oldest son who was 9 or 10 at the time down to get between him and the bear and he came running inside screaming as the dog and bear squared off in a growling match. I went outside with a Mossy 500 in .12 gauge with 5 rds of .00 buck and the two were about 10 feet apart the bear snapping its teeth and roaring and Katie hackles up, showing teeth and growling back in a stand off.

I told my wife Katie runs toward the front door or garage when I shoot any firearm get ready to grab her and drag her inside and I put a round into the ground and sure enough she broke and ran right at my wife who dragged her inside. The bear stopped it’s growling and just looked at me like yeah what are you going to do now? I racked another round into the chamber and fired again into the ground and chambered another round quickly preparing for a charge. The bear looked for a few seconds at me and slowly turned and ambled off into the woods with no great speed or desire so sound didn’t deter this cat.


42 posted on 05/06/2024 9:04:50 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: marktwain

I don’t believe this study at all. It is considering that bears may run away. To stop a bear with a less than perfect shot takes a high caliber slug. Anything less is either scaring the bear or making him mad. Don’t expect to scare away a mother bear.


43 posted on 05/06/2024 9:05:46 AM PDT by poinq (thics and customs and did not take an oath to the country. And did not follow the country's traditio)
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To: marktwain

Desert Eagle in .50 caliber may be a good choice...


44 posted on 05/06/2024 9:13:52 AM PDT by SuperLuminal ( Where is Samuel Adams when we so desperately need him)
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To: poinq
Most mother bears run from humans.

The rare brown/grizzly mother bears that charge humans should be shot, and removed from the gene pool.

There are propagating their anti-survival "extra-bold" genetics.

45 posted on 05/06/2024 9:14:13 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: baclava

Why not just shoot Bootle rockets at the bear.
(((( Chuckling))))


46 posted on 05/06/2024 9:19:28 AM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: marktwain

Thank you for taking the time for the helpful reply.


47 posted on 05/06/2024 9:24:41 AM PDT by fidelis (👈 Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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To: marktwain

Maybe a flash bang grenade would scare the bear away most of the time?


48 posted on 05/06/2024 9:31:38 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I have 1 9mm Ruger single stack. My summertime EDC. Nice little pistol.


49 posted on 05/06/2024 9:39:44 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: marktwain

Bella Twin——Patron Saint of the .22!


50 posted on 05/06/2024 9:40:24 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: Keyhopper

Well my little .380 has 15+1, so more like pew pew pew pew pew pew....lotsa bangs lol


51 posted on 05/06/2024 9:44:16 AM PDT by baclava
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To: marktwain

It’s probably better to be prepared for 1 and 1/3 bear. That way you know you can take the one bear.


52 posted on 05/06/2024 9:52:15 AM PDT by Redcitizen
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To: telescope115

The super magnums 454, 475, 480, 460 500.

Are a handful with full powdered loads.

I load them down to more comfortable levels.

A 200 to 300 gr from 1200 to 1300 is easy to handle.

They seem to do a fine job around there.

The raw smashing power above there is awesome. If one can handle the recoil that is associated with them.


53 posted on 05/06/2024 9:53:47 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: telescope115

The super magnums 454, 475, 480, 460 500.

Are a handful with full powdered loads.

I load them down to more comfortable levels.

A 200 to 300 gr from 1200 to 1300 is easy to handle.

They seem to do a fine job around there.

The raw smashing power above there is awesome. If one can handle the recoil that is associated with them.


54 posted on 05/06/2024 9:54:05 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: marktwain

55 posted on 05/06/2024 9:54:23 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: TexasGator

OK with partial diff. equations. Suck at arithmaitch and speling.


56 posted on 05/06/2024 9:55:39 AM PDT by sasquatch (Do NOT forget Ashli Babbit! c/o piytar)
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To: smokingfrog

Flash bangs would be a good start when backup by a firearm.


57 posted on 05/06/2024 9:56:59 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Georgia Girl 2

.9 mm is kinda small. /s


58 posted on 05/06/2024 9:59:58 AM PDT by sasquatch (Do NOT forget Ashli Babbit! c/o piytar)
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To: marktwain

What is critical is the ability to score hits under extreme stress.

Using a Europellet gun (9mm or .38+P), I can consistently outscore “no caliber that doesn’t start with four” shooters once the scenario adds some stress.

Not even using a charging grizzly, which I imagine adds a bit more stress that we can achieve at the range or in a shoot house.


59 posted on 05/06/2024 10:00:13 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: poinq

Having shot bears with rifles shotguns and a couple different handgun calibers.

Having hunted bears and lived in bear country for over 50’s years.

It sounds like to me you don’t know crap about bears or shooting and killing them.


60 posted on 05/06/2024 10:02:02 AM PDT by riverrunner
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