Posted on 04/05/2024 4:36:06 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
On April 2, 2024, the claim that "only 1.6% of US citizens owned slaves in 1860" went viral on X (formerly Twitter):
Though the 3.3 million people who viewed this statement (at the time of this reporting) may not be aware, this claim is part of an long-standing genre of online memes that use a misleading statistic to minimize the importance of slavery to antebellum America.
The actual percentage reported in these memes varies, Snopes has observed, from 1.3 percent to the present 1.6 percent. As Snopes reported in August 2019, the statistic to which these memes refer is most accurately conveyed as 1.4 percent.......
The year 1860 was a census year. Officials collected detailed information on slave ownership and distribution in the Southern states, and this data, while far from perfect, is likely the most reliable source of information for the state of slavery directly preceding the Civil War......
Adam Rothman, a historian at Georgetown University and an expert in the history of slavery who spoke to us via email, told us that the percentage of slaveholding families is "the better measure of the extent of slaveholding." One reason this is true, according to historian Adam Goodheart in an interview with Politifact in August 2017, is that a person could be (and often was) a "slave master" but not technically a "slave owner":
"Many non-slaveholding whites in the South rented slaves from wealthier slaveholders ... so it was very common for a white Southerner to be a 'slave master' but not technically a 'slave owner.'"
(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...
The number is 750,000 and they didn't die to free slaves. They died to slap chains on people who tried to get away from the corrupt cesspool that is Washington DC.
The invaders were not the good guys, and they didn't invade to free slaves. They invaded to protect the wealth and incomes of the elite "robber baron" class of people who controlled Washington DC.
They invaded to keep the money flowing from the South to which the Northern elite had become accustomed.
Little known fact is that 60% of all slave produced income went into the pockets of the Northern wealthy class. Slavery accounted for 72% of the US government's revenues.
What do you think of the white people who are letting millions of illegal aliens into the country so that they can use them to vote themselves into power?
Would you like to hang these particular white people?
It's Snopes. Lying is all they know how to do.
There were 5 slave states in the North during the Civil War. Delaware was the very last state to free its slaves.
Not factually true. The most famous slave in American history, "Dred Scot" was owned by a Massachusetts Republican.
General Grant owned some slaves. (Inherited by his wife.)
Rare that I get a chance to correct you, but I believe Massachusetts abolished slavery (through activist court decrees) in the early 1780s.
I believe at the time of the Constitutional Convention in 1787, they were a "free" state.
At the time the Declaration of Independence was signed, all 13 states were slave states.
Through the same sort of legal bullsh*t Judicial activism that gave Massachusetts "Gay Marriage."
Courts decreeing laws.
The US was in existence for 76 years when slavery was banned in 1865. Since it had been an institution almost worldwide it is remarkable the US banned it as soon as it did. (maybe then banning in england had some influence) But this should be celebrated not condemned.
These traitors whether white or black-—absolutely because they’re destroying this country. Whites and blacks were hanged because they were Republicans and wanted freedom.
BTW, I’m not sure I follow your question-—are you asking would I hang them solely because of skin color or because they’re evil?
Okay-—back up as I’m trying to understand. I have a few questions if you don’t mind and thanks for your patience in advance:
-—What invaders?
-—You’re stating 750,000 people died to stop corruption or over reach of government and states rights?
-—You’re stating it had nothing to do with freeing slaves/imprisoned patriots?
If I understand you correctly, you think that people who let illegal aliens into the country to vote (for liberals) should be hanged?
Why should you object to allowing liberals to have millions of extra votes to keep themselves in power?
Whites and blacks were hanged because they were Republicans and wanted freedom.
No, they were hanged because they were trying to keep the liberals in power who had done so much to destroy everything. The liberals gave freed slaves the right to vote, not because they thought it was the right thing to do, but because they knew full well *THEY* (the Liberals) would receive 100% of that vote. This is exactly the same reason they keep trying to allow illegals to vote. Because they know they will get 100% of that vote.
BTW, I’m not sure I follow your question-—are you asking would I hang them solely because of skin color or because they’re evil?
I was asking you if you would hang them because they were using "people of color" as a tool to keep liberals in power at the expense of the actual citizens.
If illegals voted Republican, the liberals would be on the border building the wall with their own hands.
People from Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc. invading Virginia to force them to obey Washington DC. Those invaders.
-—You’re stating 750,000 people died to stop corruption or over reach of government and states rights?
I'm stating that the last most accurate total of all casualties from the Civil War is 750,000, and that these men did not die to free the slaves, they died to make the Southern states into slaves. Well, approximately half of them did. The other half died trying to prevent them from enslaving everyone in their home states.
-—You’re stating it had nothing to do with freeing slaves/imprisoned patriots?
I am stating that the Civil War did not start as any effort to free any slaves. It started as an effort to force the Southern states to continue paying the taxes (72% of the total) to the Federal government.
It began as a war over tax money and authoritarian supremacy. The Southern states believed they had the right to leave, (supported by quite a lot of evidence) and the Northern states regarded them as too monetarily valuable to allow them to leave.
At first the Northern states were okay with letting them go, but as the cost of letting them go began to materialize, they suddenly turned against the idea of allowing them to leave.
Lincoln absolutely did not want them to leave. They were paying 72% of all the Federal government's bills, and without them, he would have to raise taxes massively in the North just to meet the budget.
So invasion it was.
Are you counting tariffs to be revenue produced by slaves?
Most of the federal revenue was from tariffs.
The federal government was very small at the time, a tiny percent of the gross national product.
“If you’re going to take the good part of the heritage you gotta take the bad. At least acknowledge that some bad stuff happened in there.”
Nope.
I take credit for the good.
You get to keep the bad.
WOW!! Tanks and I appreciate this information. I also found this article in more detail saying what you stated. Let me know what you think——Thanks for letting me know as I want to know the truth!
https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/why-the-war-was-not-about-slavery/
Nope. That’s lying to yourself.
Heritage is like a soup. You can pretend the ingredients you don’t like aren’t there, but they are. And they’re part of the flavor. And pretending otherwise is just deliberately making yourself stupid.
America has done some really awful crap. That’s a simple fact. America CONTINUES to do some really awful crap. That’s a simple fact. If you won’t acknowledge simple facts you are willfully ignorant.
Yeah, you lost me there...let me make myself clear. Leaving borders open to win elections but more importantly, letting in Chinese militants, radical Jihadists, violent gang members, etc IS TREASONOUS. People are getting killed and it’s being done for one main reason-— Control through chaos and power.
That’s what I believe above and you’re twisting it into something it is not. This is treason-—period and reason for hanging these evildoers.
Do you believe we should allow criminals, militants and others into this country while they disarm us-—slant elections and take over control? I don’t .....
I did own any slaves.
In fact my ancestors did not even show up until 1900 or so.
Anyone who tries to pin that on me is evil.
So what. My family got here between WWs. Nobody is trying to pin anything on you. But it is the REALITY of this country that it was declared with a lot of high minded ideals that never tried to live up to. There’s an ongoing continuum of these bad things happening with full involvement and approval of the government. Indian schools ended in OUR LIFETIME (early 1970s), “kill the Indian save the man” was the official motto of government backed schools kids were sent to without parental consent in our lifetime.
And of course there’s the stuff that still goes on. Trigger happy cops never getting in trouble. The Patriot Act allowing the government to just declare somebody a terrorist and hold without charges or trial indefinitely.
Pretending the bad stuff didn’t happen, and doesn’t happen just enables it. Taking credit for the good and ignoring the bad ALLOWS the bad. You can’t learn from mistakes you won’t acknowledge. That kind of deliberate ignorance is why history repeats itself.
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