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To: mikelets456
-—What invaders?

People from Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc. invading Virginia to force them to obey Washington DC. Those invaders.

-—You’re stating 750,000 people died to stop corruption or over reach of government and states rights?

I'm stating that the last most accurate total of all casualties from the Civil War is 750,000, and that these men did not die to free the slaves, they died to make the Southern states into slaves. Well, approximately half of them did. The other half died trying to prevent them from enslaving everyone in their home states.

-—You’re stating it had nothing to do with freeing slaves/imprisoned patriots?

I am stating that the Civil War did not start as any effort to free any slaves. It started as an effort to force the Southern states to continue paying the taxes (72% of the total) to the Federal government.

It began as a war over tax money and authoritarian supremacy. The Southern states believed they had the right to leave, (supported by quite a lot of evidence) and the Northern states regarded them as too monetarily valuable to allow them to leave.

At first the Northern states were okay with letting them go, but as the cost of letting them go began to materialize, they suddenly turned against the idea of allowing them to leave.

Lincoln absolutely did not want them to leave. They were paying 72% of all the Federal government's bills, and without them, he would have to raise taxes massively in the North just to meet the budget.

So invasion it was.

113 posted on 04/05/2024 12:58:35 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

WOW!! Tanks and I appreciate this information. I also found this article in more detail saying what you stated. Let me know what you think——Thanks for letting me know as I want to know the truth!

https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/why-the-war-was-not-about-slavery/


116 posted on 04/05/2024 1:05:24 PM PDT by mikelets456
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To: DiogenesLamp
Lincoln absolutely did not want them to leave. They were paying 72% of all the Federal government's bills, and without them, he would have to raise taxes massively in the North just to meet the budget.

This is false logic.

The Southern states also benefited from a federal government as much as the Northern states did.

It would take some effort to determine how much of the 72% (probably a disputed number, depending on how it was calculated) went to benefit the South.

This was almost all tariffs.

Are you counting tariffs to be revenue produced by slaves?

"Yup. Cotton made up most of it, (over 50%) but with tobacco, hemp, indigo, sugar and so forth made up 72% of all us trade with Europe."

There were no U.S. tariffs on those items. It does not make sense to say the South paid the tariffs and list items which were sold to other countries.

The proper calculation is how much the South paid in tariffs for things like manufactured goods.

Tariffs were paid by everyone, not just the South. Sure, the South used more of some things and less of others, than the North. But just because you export more doesn't mean you are paying more in tariffs.

148 posted on 04/05/2024 7:58:31 PM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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